Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[RH9]

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

numberq/Egix

, how do you feel about the others' wagon and potential lim?

I doubt number flips scum here. Roden's logic for voting him was flawed as has already been mentioned, so it astounds me that three people just silently followed it. (No, saying "sure" doesn't count.)

The play here is to follow my vote because otherwise I don't think there's any chance we hit scum.

Egix96, you know that you're on E-1 now. Actually, since I don't have anything against you, I'll UNVOTE: Egix96/

[RH9]

And now you're back to E-2.

[RH9]

Sorry, Taly and Roden again for my poor memory.

[Taly]

Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.

haha, then you're not going to be getting thoughts in chronological order of what I've read

I've had a few passing thoughts reviewing the latest pages:

RH9

, your quote posts on page 33, are you trying to give a conclusion on your reads or just sharing meta?

801 doesn't feel WKy, it reads as genuine because

A50

is not on the wagon and the content of this dayphase seems to be at a snail pace. Actually, I'd go further judging how

A50's

wagon died for

numberQ's

to bloom, so this reads with a lack of agenda and likely uninformed.

I mindmelded with

RH9's

805 so that strengthens my comfort with both slots.

I also don't like the defensiveness in 807 from

Roden

because he seemed to trivialize a genuine question

A50

had, unsure what the frustration means alignment-wise.

Take after skimming back through day 2: Meg's interactions with both of the wagons are sus as hell and I think they are scumbuddies with Egix.

I also think Almost is town and this wagon on him is weird. If my {Meg, Egix} theory is right, I think the remaining scum is on that wagon.

Does mafia dumbtell this?

766 is informative in the event of scum!egix flip

How so?

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

I'm liking

RH9

at the moment

Can you quote key posts that build your scumread on

Egix

?

And what do you mean by

'build associations on

Roden/Galron

"

? This sounds like confbias but I want to hear you explain.

To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.

ick, where's the

Egix/Roden

associative coming from?

And now you're back to E-2.

FINALLY SOMEONE KEEPS UP WITH VC.

~

also confirming, I'm town in Slaughter Hour and I literally couldn't have been more true to my towngame there, so perhaps hold me to that standard of play

[Taly]

this game needs a WIM booster

[Taly]

ill also add that the game you mentioned i was mafia in was a 3-for-1, so there is a town element to my posting.

heres games where I was not town from recent to least, or relatively so
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - SK that rep'd early, my WIM is generally lower as scum
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84987 - rep'ed in as a scum hydra!
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79036 - I was in a scum hydra known as

Fractured

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 - insanely large multiball where I was NKed by ANOTHER SCUMTEAM because they thought I was town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - a 2-1 game, i was elim'd as mafia and then played as town - you can actually see a pretty vivid contrast in my mentality this game
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 - was a traitor, rep'd out tho
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=76290 - flawless scum victory
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63741 - my first team scum game hehehehehehe baby

taly

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60966 - first game as non-town - won as an SK!

unfortunately, i roll town far more than scum so i dont have a lot of games that depict my recent meta as mafia, so the

"hold me to my town game"

might be just as helpful

[Galron]

And hopefully, Mafia realises their mistake.

What are you getting at here?

[Galron]

RH9, you came in and mis-labeled Taly as scum in a meta dive, and then said Taly feels different this game when Taly had made just two posts, one asking the best way to catch up and the other a solvey-type post. Then you figure out that Taly wasn't scum in the game you quoted but you don't change direction on Taly.

To be fair, Taly's current posting feels different to that of when he's Mafia.

How can you get a feel for Taly with him posting just twice. Shouldn't you be reading Gamma Emerald, the player that Taly subbed for? Wouldn't that produce better data? And if Taly's posting this game feels different that Slaughter Hour, are you saying that he's mafia this game? And how was Taly's posting to the point where you said he was different when he was mafia different this game anyway?

[numberQ]

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

[snip]

So you're saying scum would trade one of their own for me? I'm flattered you think I'm that good, but the facts are that I was very close to being limmed anyway. A scum team including you could have easily banked on town hammering to maintain reputation.

That said, while writing the above I did realize that with a perfect scum game three days in, maybe trading would have been the play for scum to make. It would have put the game in ELo if I'm not mistaken.

What do others make of this idea that Egix would have hammered me if he was scum?

Take after skimming back through day 2: Meg's interactions with both of the wagons are sus as hell and I think they are scumbuddies with Egix.

I also think Almost is town and this wagon on him is weird. If my {Meg, Egix} theory is right, I think the remaining scum is on that wagon.

Does mafia dumbtell this?

I did a similar thing in Squid Game, and I was mafia there. But I blame it more on being super busy with work the past few months and thus slightly scatterbrained, more than any kind of meta or tell. fwiw I don't think I've ever had a mix up like that in other games, as mafia or town.

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

I'm liking

RH9

at the moment

Can you quote key posts that build your scumread on

Egix

?

And what do you mean by

'build associations on

Roden/Galron

"

? This sounds like confbias but I want to hear you explain.

My case on Egix is a little scattered. I guess it starts in 236. He was more or less off my radar day 2. Then today the wagons on Almost and myself are pinging me like crazy that it's scum trying to keep us off Egix. That's also where my Roden/Galron associations come up, because of their interactions with both of those wagons. If Egix is in fact scum, I think it's likely his scum buddies were trying to protect him. Which is why I want Egix to go first.

[Galron]

I'm liking RH9 at the moment

Please expand on this.

[Galron]

[snip]

UNVOTE: numberQ
Ok, I guess that I need to reassess everything. Are you saying Roden and Galron are coordinating? (Or this an attempt to make me feel betrayed by Galron and vote him over you?) But then, I'll UNVOTE: numberQ.

Yeah, I was suggesting Roden and Galron could have coordinated trying to mislim Almost and then myself. I do think Almost is town, and I think my wagon has had very flimsy justification for it overall, which would imply scum activity.

Also I didn't read most of your meta research, sorry. It was just a bunch of no context quotes. If you or someone else points to specific things in this game that relate to meta, then I'll pay attention.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

What did I coordinate again? Are you referring to my A50 vote?

[Galron]

RH9, you came in and mis-labeled Taly as scum in a meta dive, and then said Taly feels different this game when Taly had made just two posts, one asking the best way to catch up and the other a solvey-type post. Then you figure out that Taly wasn't scum in the game you quoted but you don't change direction on Taly.

To be fair, Taly's current posting feels different to that of when he's Mafia.

How can you get a feel for Taly with him posting just twice. Shouldn't you be reading Gamma Emerald, the player that Taly subbed for? Wouldn't that produce better data? And if Taly's posting this game feels different that Slaughter Hour, are you saying that he's mafia this game? And how was Taly's posting to the point where you said he was different when he was mafia different this game anyway?

Actually not Gamma Emerald, but redtea. Shouldn't you be reading redtea?

[Galron]

Looking through Galron's posts. He seems to be solving. I am going to say that he is Town. Roden has a strong scumgame from memory. Will read through his posts.

And yet you try to start a wagon on me for coordinating a mizzle:

[snip]

UNVOTE: numberQ
Ok, I guess that I need to reassess everything. Are you saying Roden and Galron are coordinating? (Or this an attempt to make me feel betrayed by Galron and vote him over you?) But then, I'll UNVOTE: numberQ.

Yeah, I was suggesting Roden and Galron could have coordinated trying to mislim Almost and then myself. I do think Almost is town, and I think my wagon has had very flimsy justification for it overall, which would imply scum activity.

Also I didn't read most of your meta research, sorry. It was just a bunch of no context quotes. If you or someone else points to specific things in this game that relate to meta, then I'll pay attention.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

[Taly]

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

[snip]

So you're saying scum would trade one of their own for me? I'm flattered you think I'm that good, but the facts are that I was very close to being limmed anyway. A scum team including you could have easily banked on town hammering to maintain reputation.

That said, while writing the above I did realize that with a perfect scum game three days in, maybe trading would have been the play for scum to make. It would have put the game in ELo if I'm not mistaken.

What do others make of this idea that Egix would have hammered me if he was scum?

Take after skimming back through day 2: Meg's interactions with both of the wagons are sus as hell and I think they are scumbuddies with Egix.

I also think Almost is town and this wagon on him is weird. If my {Meg, Egix} theory is right, I think the remaining scum is on that wagon.

Does mafia dumbtell this?

I did a similar thing in Squid Game, and I was mafia there. But I blame it more on being super busy with work the past few months and thus slightly scatterbrained, more than any kind of meta or tell. fwiw I don't think I've ever had a mix up like that in other games, as mafia or town.

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

I'm liking

RH9

at the moment

Can you quote key posts that build your scumread on

Egix

?

And what do you mean by

'build associations on

Roden/Galron

"

? This sounds like confbias but I want to hear you explain.

My case on Egix is a little scattered. I guess it starts in 236. He was more or less off my radar day 2. Then today the wagons on Almost and myself are pinging me like crazy that it's scum trying to keep us off Egix. That's also where my Roden/Galron associations come up, because of their interactions with both of those wagons. If Egix is in fact scum, I think it's likely his scum buddies were trying to protect him. Which is why I want Egix to go first.

eh, I'm not following this much because

Egix

is rescinding a wagon he wasn't apart of. What do you mean by

Egix

being off your radar in day 2? Your vote was on

Egix

in place of the

PP

wagon which led to an elimination there.

I'm liking RH9 at the moment

Please expand on this.

I don't think scum is likely to rep into a game with a large focus on meta'ing the majority of the plist. On one hand, it can be said that meta is a mask to hide an informed perspective, but the doubt with this being true for

RH9

is that he did mis-label me in a game, and has already outlined meta reads off limited information.

It doesn't feel like he's trying to persuade, is my idea.

Plus the mindmeld on

A50's

post felt natural.

[Taly]

I am curious though,

RH9

, are you an alt I'm familiar with? Because I otherwise do not recall playing with you before.

[Taly]

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

[Taly]

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

[Galron]

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

Spoiler:

[Egix96]

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

On D1 I was townleaning Gamma for heuristic reasons and not much has happened regarding that slot to change that.
On D2 I had number as my top TR after doing some re-reading. Ofc I still TR him it's just that I have lost a bit of confidence in my reads since Penguin flipped town.

[Taly]

<3 galron

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

On D1 I was townleaning Gamma for heuristic reasons and not much has happened regarding that slot to change that.

On D2 I had number as my top TR after doing some re-reading. Ofc I still TR him it's just that I have lost a bit of confidence in my reads since Penguin flipped town.

No opinion on

RH9

?

number

was voting you D2 - so what's the connection between your loss of confidence and

PP

townflip?

[Almost50]

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

I'd like to hear RH9's answer to this.

Actually good question. VOTE: Egix96 for today. I guess that maybe it will make more sense if Galron, is Town.

To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

Well, if Egix96 is Mafia, then are you suggesting that Roden and Galron aren't Town. Honestly, Galron feels more Towny now.

Walk me through this. Explain to me like I haven't been born yet what changed your mind from voting Galron in 831 to get to a "more towny feel" in 844

[Almost50]

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

That's a good point.

UNVOTE:

[Egix96]

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

I'd like to hear RH9's answer to this.

Actually good question. VOTE: Egix96 for today. I guess that maybe it will make more sense if Galron, is Town.

To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

Well, if Egix96 is Mafia, then are you suggesting that Roden and Galron aren't Town. Honestly, Galron feels more Towny now.

Walk me through this. Explain to me like I haven't been born yet what changed your mind from voting Galron in 831 to get to a "more towny feel" in 844

Omg I was going to ask the same thing. He even started off with a tr on galron too.

[Egix96]

<3 galron

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

On D1 I was townleaning Gamma for heuristic reasons and not much has happened regarding that slot to change that.

On D2 I had number as my top TR after doing some re-reading. Ofc I still TR him it's just that I have lost a bit of confidence in my reads since Penguin flipped town.

No opinion on

RH9

?

number

was voting you D2 - so what's the connection between your loss of confidence and

PP

townflip?

It's because I was wrong for thinking pp would flip scum. The confidence drop applies to my reads as a whole, not just my one on numberQ

[Galron]

I didn't even catch that but good question.