Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Roden]

Has Kyouko been prodded btw? She's been gone for several days now.

[RH9]

Has Kyouko been prodded btw? She's been gone for several days now.

Not_Mafia's been gone for over the prod timer too. I think that both should be prodded.

[RH9]

And actually, thinking of which, until Not_Mafia contributes again, VOTE: Not_Mafia.

[T3]

Prodding Not_Mafia and ssbm_Kyouko. Note that

For prod purposes, Thursday-Saturday will count as one day. I will also extend the deadline by 2 days.

[numberQ]

We're one mislim away from ELo with a full scum team. That's not really a scenario I feel comfortable in pursuing a policy lim. Unless there's more meat behind Roden's and RH9's votes on N_M which I'm not seeing.

I do think there's bones behind the RH9 wagon, but part of me also sees his behavior as newb play. Though granted I guess it could be both, and he's newb scum. This is what's currently stopping me from declaring intent to put him at E-1 (which I guess is a thing you're supposed to do with N_M in the game, wild).

Does anyone have thoughts on what an RH9 scum flip means for who the rest of his team is? Newb scum might sheep their buddy as hard as RH9 seemed to be sheeping Roden.

[Almost50]

Does anyone have thoughts on what an RH9 scum flip means for who the rest of his team is? Newb scum might sheep their buddy as hard as RH9 seemed to be sheeping Roden.

You answered your own question.

As for N_M, let's just say he did visit the site most recently and didn't drop by to say hi.

My mind is telling me RH & Roden are bus'ing their inactive partner to earn some credit on his expense, but I'm not sure if my mind is telling me the truth.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: RH9
E-1

[RH9]

Does anyone have thoughts on what an RH9 scum flip means for who the rest of his team is? Newb scum might sheep their buddy as hard as RH9 seemed to be sheeping Roden.

You answered your own question.

As for N_M, let's just say he did visit the site most recently and didn't drop by to say hi.

My mind is telling me RH & Roden are bus'ing their inactive partner to earn some credit on his expense, but I'm not sure if my mind is telling me the truth.

Well, even if I flip Town, Roden isn't cleared. Keep that in mind. I don't want Roden going around 'RH9 flipped Town so I'm Town because he sheeped me'. And to be honest, I would still sheep Roden even if we're both Town because I mindmeld with him and Roden's been the nicest. And honestly, I would've sheeped Roden if I was Mafia and he was Town to frame him. Me sheeping Roden isn't AI because even as newb scum, I have enough experience to know to frame people. And plus, my scumgame usually revolves around bussing my active partners (not my inactive partners because that's pointless). And for advice, look into my constant change of reads regarding Galron. Ask yourself, why would I change my read on Galron so much? Obviously, not because I'm Mafia and Galron is Town. As newb scum, I would benefit much more pocketing Galron so I advice that when I flip, you look through Galron's ISO and meta. Galron might seem good for starting the wagon on me but he would benefit knowing that it will give him towncredit if I'm Mafia and he could easily brush it off as a mistake, if I'm Town. Galron is, at least in my opinion, knowledgable enough to know that getting me eliminated wouldn't damage his reputation. That being said, Galron miseliminated Enchant. Almost50, you, miseliminated both Enchant and PenguinPower. What does this tell you? Farewell, if you miseliminate me. I am going to claim Vanilla Townie before you do.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

VOTE: RH9
E-1

Are you scum

[Almost50]

Nothing against you; RH, but I think we need talk a LOT about how you play. For now I want to point out that

reading the setup and knowing how the game went

is much much much more important than "meta hunting" (which is not even "the game", but people insist to prioritize it over actual scum hunting for some reason).

You wanna know why I unvoted? because you claimed.. which -surprise surprise- tells me you've been playing a game you know absolutely nothing about. Y'see this is an open setup, and we have 2 flipped TPRs already, which is -according to the dice rolls- all we had. This means EVERYONE left is a VT, and no one cares to ask for a claim anymore.

So, your inexperience almost got you killed, but it also got you saved eventually. Not that I'm impressed, because -frankly- I had expected more from you (this means you left a gppd impression in that dead & spectators thread). I hope you will learn this lesson (and we still can talk about how you play/post post-game if you like)

[Almost50]

I am totally lost here. Like, seriously.. all I know is numberQ & Egix are Town, and that's about it. RH jumps to 3rd place now with that "I claim VT before I die" because I don't see him coming up with that play on his own, but I am leaving a slim chance for him to have been tutored in the Scum PT

[T3]

Votecount:

• RH9 (3): Galron, Egix96, ssbm_Kyouko
  Not_Mafia (2): Roden, RH9
  numberQ (1): Not_Mafia

I'm doing VC's by hand, please tell me if there are any errors.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 18:35:01).
With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: RH9

[numberQ]

[snip] And plus, my scumgame usually revolves around bussing my active partners (not my inactive partners because that's pointless). [snip]

Are you talking about off-site experience? Because just one page ago you said you've only played a single game on-site, and you were town in that one.

Nothing against you; RH, but I think we need talk a LOT about how you play. For now I want to point out that

reading the setup and knowing how the game went

is much much much more important than "meta hunting" (which is not even "the game", but people insist to prioritize it over actual scum hunting for some reason).

You wanna know why I unvoted? because you claimed.. which -surprise surprise- tells me you've been playing a game you know absolutely nothing about. Y'see this is an open setup, and we have 2 flipped TPRs already, which is -according to the dice rolls- all we had. This means EVERYONE left is a VT, and no one cares to ask for a claim anymore.

So, your inexperience almost got you killed, but it also got you saved eventually. Not that I'm impressed, because -frankly- I had expected more from you (this means you left a gppd impression in that dead & spectators thread). I hope you will learn this lesson (and we still can talk about how you play/post post-game if you like)

Why can't scum also be mistaken about the setup and claim VT? Especially a player who replaced in so late in the game.

[Almost50]

Because they do have a PT and they should know what their partners have been talking about. Unless RH is Scum who neither read the main thread nor the scum PT and decided to just jump in without any kind of coordination (in which case I'd personally shoot him if I was his Mafia partner)

[RH9]

[snip] And plus, my scumgame usually revolves around bussing my active partners (not my inactive partners because that's pointless). [snip]

Are you talking about off-site experience? Because just one page ago you said you've only played a single game on-site, and you were town in that one.

Yes, off-site. You can ask cows (after the game obviously).

[RH9]

Nothing against you; RH, but I think we need talk a LOT about how you play. For now I want to point out that

reading the setup and knowing how the game went

is much much much more important than "meta hunting" (which is not even "the game", but people insist to prioritize it over actual scum hunting for some reason).

You wanna know why I unvoted? because you claimed.. which -surprise surprise- tells me you've been playing a game you know absolutely nothing about. Y'see this is an open setup, and we have 2 flipped TPRs already, which is -according to the dice rolls- all we had. This means EVERYONE left is a VT, and no one cares to ask for a claim anymore.

So, your inexperience almost got you killed, but it also got you saved eventually. Not that I'm impressed, because -frankly- I had expected more from you (this means you left a gppd impression in that dead & spectators thread). I hope you will learn this lesson (and we still can talk about how you play/post post-game if you like)

Wait, we're all VT? And sorry for the meta-hunting. And, by the way, I feel like there has to be at least one Mafia on my wagon. That's assuming that at least two out of Roden, numberQ and you are Town. And tell me if I'm getting confirmation biased regarding Galron.

[Almost50]

I mean, I can't tell for sure if you are conf!biased or if you see something I can't see. I am leaning Town on Galron but my word isn't gospel on that one (i.e. it's a weak TR that I can't actually bet the game on). I am more sus of Roden tbh.

I also am not impressed by Taly's play so far, so gun-to-my-head I'd say it's Roden, Taly & Kyouko/N_M

[Almost50]

N_M in my experience has good reads, so it works in his favour that was on neither mislims. However, he also hasn't eliminated scum yet

[RH9]

To be fair, I think that I've been too overly aggressive this game.

[Roden]

I can only defend myself and prove my townie-ness for so long before the last of my mental energy gets sapped away.

[RH9]

I hope that Galron isn't angry at me for my treatment of him. (I have been constantly assuming that he is Mafia.) See 831.

I also hope that Egix96 isn't angry either due to 884 and misinterpreting his intentions

I also hope that they both don't get upset that when Roden does the same things, I don't scumread Roden for it. (For starting the numberQ wagon, being very nice, for example)

[Galron]

I can't follow your jumping from chocolate to vanilla to strawberry. Your thought process is an ink blot to me. Nothing for me to get angry about, and I don't know why you'd think that.

[RH9]

I can't follow your jumping from chocolate to vanilla to strawberry. Your thought process is an ink blot to me. Nothing for me to get angry about, and I don't know why you'd think that.

That's good to hear. I've at least twice accused you of betraying me. (If my memory is working. I can't remember if I did accuse you of anything but coordinating a 'miselimination' and 'liking easy pushes'.) And half of my posts were under the assumption that Roden was Town and you were Mafia. (Which I don't think anymore. I mean about you being Mafia.)