Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[Almost50]

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[Pavowski]

A50 how does it feel to be unvotable today? What a treat it must be

You can get hecked for stealing the first pagetop

When I type in A50, my phone suggests that I type “A50 and then my autocorrect doesn’t have a problem with your attitude and barb is going to be a good person and barb and I’m not sure if I can have a problem with your phone”

Obvious scumclaim is obvious

Are you guys like... Seriously arguing about A50's alignment?

You're not, right?

The only sarcasm I understand is my own

Pav really is lacking spice in his posts. Played with them in a newbie a bit ago and their posts there were quite a bit better than here. These posts seem dry and unimaginitive. I also couldn't help but see a buddy attempt of the IC.

VOTE: Pav

"better" than here? You either have much higher expectations of me than I deserve, or you've confused late-game high-effort me with early-game dunno-wtf-to-do-so-memes-for-days me

[Almost50]

OH! I've just realized my new title has been implemented. I don't know how long it's been there but I didn't see it until NOW!

[Roden]

Awkward post

Does that make it any more townie or scummy in your eyes? The implication would be that it's scummy, but here you then go voting a player that hasn't posted yet instead of a player attracting votes. Not a very satisfying reply

Because I only have one vote.

Makes me feel like Roden wanted to discredit my vote as non-confrontationally as possible

Ok, good to know we've never played before then.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[LicketyQuickety]

OH! I've just realized my new title has been implemented. I don't know how long it's been there but I didn't see it until NOW!

Townie post

[LicketyQuickety]

Awkward post

Does that make it any more townie or scummy in your eyes? The implication would be that it's scummy, but here you then go voting a player that hasn't posted yet instead of a player attracting votes. Not a very satisfying reply

Because I only have one vote.

Makes me feel like Roden wanted to discredit my vote as non-confrontationally as possible

Ok, good to know we've never played before then.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.

[GuiltyLion]

Because I only have one vote.

Yes, right, and my point was you chose to use that singular vote on a player who hadn't posted yet rather than one who you just said was awkward, who was already drawing attention in the thread. This isn't a counterpoint?

[Not_Mafia]

VC 1.01

Galron (0)-

Enchant (1)-

Auro

Pavowski (1)-

LicketyQuickety

Almost50 (1)-

DArby

Roden (1)-

GuiltyLion

Bingle (1)-

Galron

LicketyQuickety (0)-

GuiltyLion (3)-

Bingle, T3, Roden

Salsabil Faria (1)-

mc esther

DArby (2)-

Enchant, SalsabilFaria

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (1)-

Pavowski

Not Voting (1)-

Almost50

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

[GuiltyLion]

This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.

being fair to Roden, I basically challenged him in my last post to go at me, so I'm not surprised to see him bite back. What I'd like to actually hear from him though is why he thinks my behavior is more likely to come from me as scum than me as town, because that's what's missing

[GuiltyLion]

Ok, good to know we've never played before then.

also, what am I supposed to take from this? That you are always non-confrontational and it isn't AI? or are you saying that you actually

are

confrontational as town? because that would make you addressing my vote on you by calling me "awkward" while joke voting an empty slot even worse

[Roden]

Awkward post

Does that make it any more townie or scummy in your eyes? The implication would be that it's scummy, but here you then go voting a player that hasn't posted yet instead of a player attracting votes. Not a very satisfying reply

Because I only have one vote.

Makes me feel like Roden wanted to discredit my vote as non-confrontationally as possible

Ok, good to know we've never played before then.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.

How is that over aggro?

Because I only have one vote.

Yes, right, and my point was you chose to use that singular vote on a player who hadn't posted yet rather than one who you just said was awkward, who was already drawing attention in the thread. This isn't a counterpoint?

Ok...?

Why do you think I should have voted you before LQ?

This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.

being fair to Roden, I basically challenged him in my last post to go at me, so I'm not surprised to see him bite back. What I'd like to actually hear from him though is why he thinks my behavior is more likely to come from me as scum than me as town, because that's what's missing

Where did I say this?

Ok, good to know we've never played before then.

also, what am I supposed to take from this? That you are always non-confrontational and it isn't AI? or are you saying that you actually

are

confrontational as town? because that would make you addressing my vote on you by calling me "awkward" while joke voting an empty slot even worse

I am very confrontational lol. But you're assuming a lot of things here and implying I have scummy intentions

Like, what does it matter that I voted LQ? Do you think I'm saving you for later to line up mis-elims? It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions. If anything, it's weirdly self-conscious of you to assume awkward = scummy.

[Pavowski]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

[DArby]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

[mc esther]

A50 gets all hammers. He should check to make sure NM is around when doing so to prevent scum from twilight strategizing.

does this mean we should also treat deadlines as slightly shorter than they are? like, this is definitely correct for the most part, but risks no-hammer if the wagon only builds up close to deadline.

Doc claims should be left alive in all circumstances. If they’re fake, the real doc will probably shoot them. If they’re real the scum won’t shoot them because of the possibility of the real doc shooting them (neither team will know if it’s a real or fakeclaim) and we should be able to work backwards from number of kills to determine whether they were real or not.

idk if i agree with "in all circumstances" and counting night-kills to confirm lol. relying on informed factions to give us the information we need seems naive. i have, other grievances, but i dont really wanna talk too much about it for the reasons i outlined in my first post, im happy to say "actually i think cop should investigate doc claims" and leave it at that.

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im not sure i actually understand where the recent argument/kerfuffle/case/push/whatever surrounding guiltylion came from; imma try reading again.

[GuiltyLion]

Ok...?

Why do you think I should have voted you before LQ?

I don't like early game memeing, it's by and large just noise. Scumhunting at this stage for me is about poking at/pressuring people who look like they don't have a comfortable place to vote or people who aren't using their vote for any real purpose. Once people have posted and started doing stuff, voting somebody who hasn't posted at all yet is about the lowest information play possible.

If a townie thinks me being awkward makes me more likely to be scum, they should vote me, because that will actually generate useful content for them both in terms of how I respond and how other players interpret/react to the vote. Nobody has anything to say about a vote on a player who hasn't posted yet. So I don't like that you expressed a perfectly good reason to vote me at this stage ("awkward post") and instead put that vote on LQ, I think town should be more proactive pushing for reactions and content from players they find suspicious. Somebody who hasn't posted within a day of gamestart is not suspicious.

Where did I say this?

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions. If anything, it's weirdly self-conscious of you to assume awkward = scummy.

That's why literally my first question in 119 was whether you think "awkward post" is townie or scummy. I am not here for passive shade that's left up for interpretation by the reader. If you don't believe it's scummy in your heart of hearts, you probably shouldn't be suggesting that it could be. And if you do believe it might be scummy, then you should leverage that to pressure me. [That's why I asked Auro why he wasn't voting me as well!]

This weaseling of "I didn't say it was scummy!" doesn't at all address the main issue I'm trying to force here - if anything it's just exacerbating it - which is that you felt a need to respond to my vote but didn't use your response to either sort me or push me, and that's low-info play that has so far just reinforced my early bad gutfeels about you

[GuiltyLion]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

DArby can I get an answer from you on your own question? happy to wait until Pav responds if you're trying to get his take first

[Pavowski]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

Not ready to call it one way or the other yet but I do think it's weird to dive in hard like that.

[Pavowski]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

Not ready to call it one way or the other yet but I do think it's weird to dive in hard like that.

I will add that I don't have a *ton* of experience with either Roden or GL, but GL sounds like town!GL inasmuch as I know him, which is to say, not particularly well.

[mc esther]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

agreed, and, it kinda bugs me? like, claiming "rvs lol" after multiple people have put forward seemingly serious reasons (and not just between lion and roden, we also have lq attempting meta on pav) is, ehhhhh?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Roden

[T3]

I forgot this game existed

[T3]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Salsabil Faria

was buddying in the queue

Why did you unvote Enchant here, mc?

isn't that like... rvs and all?

I wanted to hear mc explain in their own words because every other post of theirs has been really over-explainy and I'm trying to get a sense of their personality

LQ is feeling WILDLY different than I remember from town him

[Roden]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

I don't consent to this.

im not sure i actually understand where the recent argument/kerfuffle/case/push/whatever surrounding guiltylion came from; imma try reading again.

Same tbh.

Ok...?

Why do you think I should have voted you before LQ?

I don't like early game memeing, it's by and large just noise. Scumhunting at this stage for me is about poking at/pressuring people who look like they don't have a comfortable place to vote or people who aren't using their vote for any real purpose. Once people have posted and started doing stuff, voting somebody who hasn't posted at all yet is about the lowest information play possible.

This is an even weirder excuse to attack me when we have people voting the IC. Why are you ignoring them?

If a townie thinks me being awkward makes me more likely to be scum, they should vote me, because that will actually generate useful content for them both in terms of how I respond and how other players interpret/react to the vote. Nobody has anything to say about a vote on a player who hasn't posted yet. So I don't like that you expressed a perfectly good reason to vote me at this stage ("awkward post") and instead put that vote on LQ, I think town should be more proactive pushing for reactions and content from players they find suspicious. Somebody who hasn't posted within a day of gamestart is not suspicious.

I didn't say it was scummy though. And I made a point of saying I didn't think it was scummy. I didn't have a reason to vote you there. You literally only sound scummy now because you're largely overreacting to something that wasn't that deep.

You say I didn't have a good reason to vote LQ and that doing so doesn't cause reactions and generate content. This is blatantly untrue though since it very much has.

Where did I say this?

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions. If anything, it's weirdly self-conscious of you to assume awkward = scummy.

That's why literally my first question in 119 was whether you think "awkward post" is townie or scummy. I am not here for passive shade that's left up for interpretation by the reader. If you don't believe it's scummy in your heart of hearts, you probably shouldn't be suggesting that it could be. And if you do believe it might be scummy, then you should leverage that to pressure me. [That's why I asked Auro why he wasn't voting me as well!]

I didn't suggest anything. You keep assuming things and acting you're trying to play 4D chess with me.

This weaseling of "I didn't say it was scummy!" doesn't at all address the main issue I'm trying to force here - if anything it's just exacerbating it - which is that you felt a need to respond to my vote but didn't use your response to either sort me or push me, and that's low-info play that has so far just reinforced my early bad gutfeels about you

Cool, I don't care.

[Roden]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

agreed, and, it kinda bugs me? like, claiming "rvs lol" after multiple people have put forward seemingly serious reasons (and not just between lion and roden, we also have lq attempting meta on pav) is, ehhhhh?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Roden

RVS is scummy now.

[Roden]

WIM is already drastically dropping and I'm getting Scarlet Witch Day 1 vibes from this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Roden

Acting very sus to pressure.