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[Milobird]

Not trying to

@Titus, Cakez- this next question is going to be super blunt.

When has town EVER listened to you so readily without question on something you want in a game?

[SirCakez]

i don't understand the question

[SirCakez]

There are tons of arguments for why I'm still alive and they can go either way so I'm just kind of leaving it as null

I mean bottom line Cakez is “who has the wider scumrange, Pooky or bell”

both? you guys are both really fucking good

[Milobird]

You realize part of pookys case is I helped bell graduate from being bad scum lol

My point was- Pooky is convinced we are scum, yet spent most of the day saying he wanted to no elim purely off of what you guys had talked about earlier. Isn’t that strange that he just outright agreed? Like he outright agreed there, despite his unwavering conviction that last scum is bell and I

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes because it makes so much sense for scum!me to want no elim.

so I can watch cakes who is undecided die at night and then mastina who is leaning towards voting me gets to make the decision

that is certainly an excellent point. *clap clap*

[Milobird]

My points were about yesterday, not today.

Funny how that works isn’t it!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you're saying Pooky!scum has Cakes pocketed in a hood

and Pooky!scum also wants to no elim to shoot Cakes who he has pocketed in a hood.

like

that doesn't make sense no matter which day you're talking about.

[mastina]

...No? Mastina isn't confirmed, so there's merit in it. I'm well aware that saying this stuff can piss them off and cause them to retaliate vote me. Still gunna do it.

Bookmarking this, as it is important to my Pooky lean.
(Also as a reminder, the post where I used reminder words like 'mirror'? Also part of the Pooky lean.)

[mastina]

I still don't follow how town you comes to the conclusion that I'm harder to read than Mastina tho.
Like we're both equally terrible scum. So. Arguably I'm worse scum actually. It's one of the reasons I think you're scum Pooky, I don't think either of us have looked scummy this game from a bird's eye view.
I'm aware Notty disagreed, but like, yeah.

Bookmarking this, as it is important to my Pooky lean.

[mastina]

Funnily enough your accuracy and propensity to be on scum wagons is a point against you because the rest of us look like clowns in comparison and towns tend to look more clownish as a result of their ignorance of who is and isn't scum.

e.g., Koba pushing at us and then 180'ing on to you because they sorted us.

Bookmarking this, as it is DOUBLY part of my Pooky lean.
(The second is Koba related.)

I should clarify for Pooky: what Bell is saying isn't part of the Pooky lean; what Bell is saying is convenient segues into my reasons for the Pooky lean. As in, "when I get the chance to write it up, refer to these posts to explain my lean".

[mastina]

I still don't follow how town you comes to the conclusion that I'm harder to read than Mastina tho.
Like we're both equally terrible scum. So. Arguably I'm worse scum actually. It's one of the reasons I think you're scum Pooky, I don't think either of us have looked scummy this game from a bird's eye view.
I'm aware Notty disagreed, but like, yeah.

I think you're a better scum player than Mastina because when I see people give you advice I see you can actually take that advice.

Mastina literally can't.

Not quite true;
Most advice I get, I already do behind the scenes.

Usually, it goes:
Advisor: "do x".
Me: I do, *explains how I do x*
Advisor: *radio silence* or "well you're clearly a lost cause".

There are limitations where I literally CANNOT do it, obviously, so if I am advised to do something that I literally CAN'T do, it's not helpful.

If I can't do it or I already do, the advice is useless, but if I can do it and don't? It actually IS useful.

[mastina]

I have no idea why you think my scum game has improved a single millimeter, the more likely argument is just that you can't backtrack and you're stuck.
Also, congratulations I go back to work tomorrow morning.

But yeah, I'm not satisfied with this as my elo play, but I can't do more. I wish I could.
The rest of the town just has to bring this across the finish line. I can't do the focused assessment stuff more, even though there's a ton there. I wish I had infinite time. It would, well I could have been a lot more productive if I had just committed to doing more.

Oh well.

Bookmarking this as it's important to the Pooky lean.

[mastina]

Milo why did you abandon your mastina push? because I said I wouldn't vote her?

A) if she is scum I can rest peacefully knowing that this game isn’t my fault
B) Pookys push on us is actually awful (still waiting for him to provide examples instead of general statements)
C) Pooky literally hasn’t reevaluated once, which should tell you that he came into melo with the express decision to 1v1 off what everyone else said yesterday. He literally went and checked mastina posting frequency but hasn’t tried to point out EXACTLY where we are BSing.

Bookmarking this as it's important to the Pooky lean.

[mastina]

A) if she is scum I can rest peacefully knowing that this game isn’t my fault
B) Pookys push on us is actually awful (still waiting for him to provide examples instead of general statements)
C) Pooky literally hasn’t reevaluated once, which should tell you that he came into melo with the express decision to 1v1 off what everyone else said yesterday. He literally went and checked mastina posting frequency but hasn’t tried to point out EXACTLY where we are BSing.

Why would I re-evaluate when I've literally never been wrong on Mastina once.

She is not going to break her meta to win a scum game

She hates playing scum lol.

She'd rather be able to say at endgame that she can't be scum because of _______ than survive and win a scum game.

It's all about incentives.

She literally has no incentive to break her meta.

Whereas you are trying to get better and not be a one dimensional scumnub who gets yeeted easy every time you roll red.

This is wrong, tho I'll have to be home to explain why.

That Pooky is saying this though is important to the Pooky lean.

[mastina]

like that peta comparison Bell made is so on point

cuz Peta is a tryhard 200 mph player who actually gives a shit about winning etc and is willing to sacrifice his left hand to win a game.

I honestly just want my scum team to have a good time and chill and have fun.

If I was scum with gypyx I'd be coaching him and having a good time with him, you should know this since you were literally in the scum discord with me/him in tenet dude

I want to raise the question tho.

What stops it from being an entire scumteam call?

How long between SirCakez asking and Pooky answering Gypyx?

Was there time for Gypyx, Dwlee, and imaginality to chime in on the choices?

[mastina]

It should be noted before I go that Mastina has little reason to suspect or question pooky as scum. It would be easier for her just to let pooky lose the game for town. But that’s sort of conjecture. Just a random thought, but I sort of feel like I’m conf biasing there maybe.

-Bell

Bookmark Pooky lean.

[mastina]

BTW re: Pooky coaching/defending scumbuddies, I'd like to ask: what COULD Pooky do?

Woolax died before Pooky replaced in.
Gypyx was killed by the Vig. (Yes, said Vig was Pooky, but I have my concerns about clearing him for this.)

Dwlee was cop guiltied by the playerslot who is un-1v1able. What could Pooky do to prevent the Dwlee elimination?

Imaginality was the only slot Pooky could have helped, but we caught imaginality in large part due to a botched fakeclaim, which was botched in a way that Pooky could not have known about the ways it was botched.

Pooky might like to coach and defend scumbuddies, but doing so in this game was quite impossible for him.

[mastina]

WAIT I JUST HAD A BREAKTHROUGH WITH THE VIG ON GYPYX.

I THINK that IT COULD be a CASE of SCUM FU CKING UP A GAMBIT.

will explain latero.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Imaginality was the only slot Pooky could have helped, but we caught imaginality in large part due to a botched fakeclaim, which was botched in a way that Pooky could not have known about the ways it was botched.

Um what. how would I not be able to coach Imaginality into making a better fake claim if I was partnered with him?

I'm pretty good at fake claiming and I'm also pretty good at coaching teammates on making fake claims that end up working out.

Losing Godfather is a pretty big blow, there's no way scum!me lets Imaginality make that fake claim there.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like the GF going down turns every innocent from a soft inno into a hard inno and makes the game borderline unwinnable for scum

there's literally 0 chance I let Imaginality claim the nonsense he claimed if I am scum with him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also if I'm mafia vig, I can just get Cakes to shoot someone else and coach Gypyx into towning it up.

[Milobird]

also if I'm mafia vig, I can just get Cakes to shoot someone else and coach Gypyx into towning it up.

There's literally no way you believe this, lol.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it worked pretty well in Tenet dude.

Gypyx tap danced all over you

[mastina]

WAIT I JUST HAD A BREAKTHROUGH WITH THE VIG ON GYPYX.

I THINK that IT COULD be a CASE of SCUM FU CKING UP A GAMBIT.

will explain latero.

Basically.
We've been assuming the whole time that Pooky intentionally said to Vig Gypyx and that the death of Gypyx was an intentional gambit, if Pooky is scum.

…But I can think of no less than FIVE different ways that it could be ACCIDENTAL.

Pooky is right that him vigging Gypyx goes against standards.

But if it was an accident, the Pooky scum narrative changes from,
"Pooky vigged a partner deliberately, going against meta", to:
Pooky was in his meta, scum just made a mistake, with Pooky as conftown being damage control".

Which is more plausible to me.

[Milobird]

it worked pretty well in Tenet dude.

Gypyx tap danced all over you

Okay.

-Bell