Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[Salsabil Faria]

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[Salsabil Faria]

[Bingle]

the scumread on guiltylion is basically meta, right?

Only in the loosest sense. I am familiar with the way GL plays but the thrust of the argument isn’t something that requires said knowledge to evaluate. In any case, the meta aspect is that GL is a strong player and that it’s possible he would be waffly as town here because he just kinda waffles a lot.

The idea behind the argument is that the sum total of the post is posturing and things that are either NAI or scummy. Summarizing events in thread is a classic enough scum tell that it has a name, IIoA. Painting a behavior of being willing to jump into the fray as inherently town is naive, and someone with as much experience as gl certainly knows better.

[Auro]

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

If you townread GL and acknowledge he's pro-town, why on earth would you flip him to determine Bingle's alignment instead of flipping Bingle directly?

Signalling to the other scumteam, aren't ya

[Auro]

Also, padding a page with a number of posts just to get to pagetops is getting a little annoying

[Salsabil Faria]

[Enchant]

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

If you townread GL and acknowledge he's pro-town, why on earth would you flip him to determine Bingle's alignment instead of flipping Bingle directly?

Signalling to the other scumteam, aren't ya

Very specific accusation.

What?

[Pavowski]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

[Pavowski]

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

If you townread GL and acknowledge he's pro-town, why on earth would you flip him to determine Bingle's alignment instead of flipping Bingle directly?

Signalling to the other scumteam, aren't ya

I would not, at this point, vote GL, and I don't think my post suggests what you seem to suggest it suggests

[Salsabil Faria]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

Why?

[Auro]

Whoops, seems like I misread things. Still an awkward post tho

[T3]

i'll be honest i haven't even noticed that roden was being cased

Yes, I'm trying to save myself here, why it is a scummy thing to do?

If you're suggesting scum!me trying to save myself here by miseliminating town!

Town

, can you tell me why you townread

Roden

? Cause I can't remember of you saying that.

And I'm voting

Roden

because I like this point of

LQ

's which didn't came to my mind and I also see scums to do that:

But at this point my SR on Roden grew stronger when they ditched the thread which I am reading as them doing so so that the votes start to fall off them.

i'll be honest i haven't even noticed that roden was being cased

Hmm... I think you rolled scum but I can't prove because it's based on vibe.

You aren’t scumhunting and I get terrible vibes every time you post

[Pavowski]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

Why?

C'mon dude. Pretend you're scum (or maybe you're just scum already, but whatever, we'll complete the exercise). There's a slot out there getting town cred and you want to shut that down, so you throw some shade on that slot.

Would you then turn around and NK that same slot? Wouldn't you think that's, like, incredibly obvious?

Like I kinda feel silly even spelling it out

[Salsabil Faria]

You aren’t scumhunting

Not actively, yes.

and I get terrible vibes every time you post

It’s not my alignment problem, it’s

in your head

problem if you're town.

[Salsabil Faria]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

Why?

C'mon dude. Pretend you're scum (or maybe you're just scum already, but whatever, we'll complete the exercise). There's a slot out there getting town cred and you want to shut that down, so you throw some shade on that slot.

Would you then turn around and NK that same slot? Wouldn't you think that's, like, incredibly obvious?

Like I kinda feel silly even spelling it out

Which one is your thought process: Scum don't do *obvious* things or scum!

Bingle

won't do *obvious* thing?

[GuiltyLion]

Walk me through your Galron read, I can't see it? Like sure, some of his questions are "pro-town", but what makes them likelier to come from town!Galron?

I understand that it's not the most transparent/understandable read, and I wish I could explain the read better but I currently cannot. It's largely a vibe thing and I'm certainly open to re-evaluating as the game continues - if the motivation for this question is that you think Galron is scummy then I'd encourage you to lay out your thoughts - but right now I think he's town

[GuiltyLion]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

If you townread GL and acknowledge he's pro-town, why on earth would you flip him to determine Bingle's alignment instead of flipping Bingle directly?

Signalling to the other scumteam, aren't ya

I am not a fan of either of these questions, I thought Pav's reasoning was pretty clear.

[Salsabil Faria]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

Why?

C'mon dude. Pretend you're scum (or maybe you're just scum already, but whatever, we'll complete the exercise). There's a slot out there getting town cred and you want to shut that down, so you throw some shade on that slot.

Would you then turn around and NK that same slot? Wouldn't you think that's, like, incredibly obvious?

Like I kinda feel silly even spelling it out

Which one is your thought process behind it: Scum don't do *obvious* things or scum!

Bingle

won't do *obvious* thing?

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

If you townread GL and acknowledge he's pro-town, why on earth would you flip him to determine Bingle's alignment instead of flipping Bingle directly?

Signalling to the other scumteam, aren't ya

I am not a fan of either of these questions, I thought Pav's reasoning was pretty clear.

That's good for you?

If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.

[GuiltyLion]

If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.

sure, but it feels like you're trying to drag Pav into a debate about claims that he didn't make or arguments that aren't important. From my impression of his original 440, all Pav was saying was that if he were to

know

that I am town, he would then think that Bingle's shade on me might indicate Bingle scum. However, as soon as you say something like that it can poison the well for NKA (a non-Bingle scum team might shoot me in an attempt to make Bingle look bad), so he wanted to clarify that he doesn't also think me being NK'd would

further

make him suspect Bingle. This is also basically exactly what he then clarified in 457 and 462.

You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful. No one has been killed yet, it doesn't develop nor change my understanding of his original posts, and it isn't something that Pav would have different reasoning about whether he's town or scum. Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him.

[GuiltyLion]

also to clarify further, my issue with Auro's question is slightly different than my issue with Salsa's - Auro is wise enough to not too obviously stir the pot for the sake of pot-stirring, and he has since backtracked slightly in 460, but I think his question indicates he wasn't paying full attention or trying to understand Pav's posts with a charitable eye. That makes me think it could be a scum mindset of more actively looking to interrogate posts rather than evaluate and understand them. I know when I am scum I am more likely to jump at my own misreadings of posts like that.

[Auro]

Stretch.

You should know by now about my fondness for aggressive interrogation. And the redundancy of Pavlov's statements formed a major part of my *gotcha* which holds even discounting my misread.

[Almost50]

I'm still waiting on Roden, D'Arby, Galron, Enchant & T3 to submit their lists

[Bingle]

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

Why would you engage in preemptive NKA in the first place though?

Like... This is just introducing so much WIFOM into the thread.

If GL gets shot here, did Bingle do it for towncred? Did scum do it trying to frame Bingle? Did the CPR doc do it trying to save GL from the scum shot that was trying to frame Bingle of either alignment?

Just posting that makes it completely useless.

[LicketyQuickety]

This is the perfect example of the kind of weird I expect from Scum!Salsa.

For example, Salsa voted someone multiple times without actually voting someone else in the game I played with them where they were Scum. So this sort of counting posts to get to page top is right in line with the same kind of weirdness IMO.