Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[StrangeMatter]

I don't really fully get the logic behind two scum on wagons idea. To me, it's generally unlikely and more commonly done that scum spreads themselves thinly instead of though I haven't tested this idea much (it's happened before, where both scum jumped onto one wagon, so maybe it's more likely to happen with scum who knows this idea well, though that's a guess in its own right and should be taken with a huge side of salt).

[Greeting]

I don't really fully get the logic behind two scum on wagons idea. To me, it's generally unlikely and more commonly done that scum spreads themselves thinly instead of though I haven't tested this idea much (it's happened before, where both scum jumped onto one wagon, so maybe it's more likely to happen with scum who knows this idea well, though that's a guess in its own right and should be taken with a huge side of salt).

Do you think that the votes are spread? If so, then whom from from this group:

Cape90

,

marcistar

is the second scum?

[Cape90]

From where I stand, the ProHawk wagon looks pretty pure
Though it would be the wildest thing if the scumteam was Pro/Marci now huh. I'm tempted to jump the gun and say if ProHawk is town, then Marci probably has a good shot at being mafia

[Cape90]

We either have cop or tracker left.

[MegAzumarill]

Hello!

VOTE: Greeting

I'll post more when able but I was busy over Thanksgiving.

[MegAzumarill]

Also prism kill strongly implicates Greeting as scum.

Add it to the pile of reasons to vote them!

[Greeting]

Also prism kill strongly implicates Greeting as scum.

Why is that?

[marcistar]

it should be obvious, but in case it isnt; i lost my motivation to play sometime during d1 (also getting a bit more busy lately but we dont talk abt that )

Personally, though I'm fine with eliminating Cabd here. Though I'm wondering if we still have things we want to discuss at this point?

i don't see you explaining anywhere why you preferred cabd > prowhawk, did i miss it..? if not can u answer lol

I absolutely hated the last minutes of Day One, but

StrangeMatter

did vote in the end and admitted being very nervous (658). Not 100% sure that I'm buying it. But to be fair, if they weren't absent, they must have known that likely it was their vote that would decide the outcome of the game, so putting themselves out like this sounds like an illogical decision to make as scum. Or maybe that's really what happened and I just think they're more advanced than they actually are.

i think anyone in the position of having to decide between 2 wagons would be nervous, so that part isnt really super scummy imo. but im more curious abt the reasons, cuz there must've been something there..
cabd had like no time to do anything, while a prohawk vote there could be reasonings to use, it feels a bit like they were just doing what was easiest :/

Spoiler:

i just generally hate eliming people before they get the chance to do anything tho

agree with ur part about megazurmarill being absent, though I haven't played with them before so im not too sure if its scummy.

Do you think that both scums were on the

Cabd

wagon or did they spread votes? We have two conftownies on the

ProHawk

wagon, and

Cape90

whom I'm still reading town. But then there's

marcistar

.

Cabd

[5]: Meuh, Greeting, ProHawk, MegAzumarill, StrangeMatter [HAMMER]

ProHawk

[4]:

Prism

, marcistar, Cape90,

Cabd

u didnt ask me but heres my solid opinion:
i dont really believe prohawks wagon has anyone nasty on it

I don't really fully get the logic behind two scum on wagons idea. To me, it's generally unlikely and more commonly done that scum spreads themselves thinly instead of though I haven't tested this idea much (it's happened before, where both scum jumped onto one wagon, so maybe it's more likely to happen with scum who knows this idea well, though that's a guess in its own right and should be taken with a huge side of salt).

i dont usually hunt based on wagons so its a struggle for me.., scum could've easily spread themselves, they also could've easily both done the same thing. we won't know until game end :/
the only reason why i think prohawks wagon is pure, is because i townread cape90 ( - :
greetings question (676) is good; ur post just looks like a bit of complaining without driving us anywhere since u didn't explain originally : PP

From where I stand, the ProHawk wagon looks pretty pure
Though it would be the wildest thing if the scumteam was Pro/Marci now huh. I'm tempted to jump the gun and say if ProHawk is town, then Marci probably has a good shot at being mafia

the chances of prohawk being town are low, but never 0

Also prism kill strongly implicates Greeting as scum.

Add it to the pile of reasons to vote them!

i dont agree that a prism kill implies greeting as scum, why do u think so..?
to me it looked like prism could've been killed because they were active, and have a big say on the game state.. i think anyone could've killed prism
also explain whats the reasons to vote greeting..? idontremember any of them

[MegAzumarill]

You were irreparable scum in their eyes and you knew it.
You would have to kill them at some point this game or you would lose. And each day their vote only grows stronger

[marcistar]

why does it imply greeting but not imply prohawk

[MegAzumarill]

I mean it does but more strongly for Greeting

It gets into Wifom for prohawk but with Greeting its more straightforward

[marcistar]

why wouldnt greeting let prism live another day so that she can continue tunneling prohawk..?
do u think prohawk x greeting or..?

[MegAzumarill]

Probably feared investigative prism? They would need to kill them at some point.

Prohawk Greeting makes a lot of sense if it's a tracker setup tbh.
Prism would track one of the two for sure

[Greeting]

You were irreparable scum in their eyes and you knew it.
You would have to kill them at some point this game or you would lose. And each day their vote only grows stronger

It’s starting to look obvious to me.

Prism

was killed off to supposedly implicate and frame me for it.

[marcistar]

"fearing investigative prism" and "prism kill implies scum greeting" to me only work if prohawk is also scum with greeting yeah. (assuming greetings scum)

did u think abt this before saying it implied greeting..?

also, i don't really believe greetings scum unfortunately.

[StrangeMatter]

I preferred the Cabd wagon based on what I said earlier being a little manipulative, which I’ve learned is common among good players, and was hoping to catch him in the act.

Also. no time? Are you kidding me? The game went up until only a couple minutes before Prism’s stated deadline left in deadline and you’re saying I didn’t give him enough time to do something but I’m seriously wondering if you’re ignoring that even happened and used it as shade.

As for Greeting’s question I’m going to have to come back to this to really answer because I really can’t tell until I look into that more (plus I feel like my Marci read got stale and I didn’t do much with it after day 1, and I’d like to reaffirm my POE).

[Greeting]

Probably feared investigative prism? They would need to kill them at some point.

Prohawk Greeting makes a lot of sense if it's a tracker setup tbh.
Prism would track one of the two for sure

Investigative? There are non-investigative role setups in every column, such as A3 for instance. Being scum, how would I even know that there is an investigative role in the game for sure?

[Greeting]

Inb4 the scumteam is

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

. This isn’t newbie play. They weren’t town PR hunting, they just wanted to kill two birds with one stone and simply got lucky while doing it.

[Meuh]

Inb4 the scumteam is

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

. This isn’t newbie play. They weren’t town PR hunting, they just wanted to kill two birds with one stone and simply got lucky while doing it.

You're both saying it's the other with ProHawk... you should unite and vote ProHawk!

[Greeting]

Inb4 the scumteam is

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

. This isn’t newbie play. They weren’t town PR hunting, they just wanted to kill two birds with one stone and simply got lucky while doing it.

You're both saying it's the other with ProHawk... you should unite and vote ProHawk!

Not before I do my research on

Prism

's case on them. But this scumteam makes a lot of sense. Especially given

marcistar

's 684, who points out well

Prism

's reads are being used selectively.

MegAzumarill

's behavior let me know what's going on here. I am almost 100% sure that an SE is behind this.

[MegAzumarill]

The actual logistics of it are complicated.

If Greeting is scum the prism kill is forced, but prism could still be killed with town!Greeting.

Independent of the nightkill I want a Greeting elim on long discussed grounds. I don't think their play matches them as town and there's always the whole PT think prism likely died over.

Prohawk aftee my catchup would be the most likely partner for Greeting. After their exchange with prism it looked townie at first, but looks more like forced cluelessness as scum digging deeper.

[Greeting]

My first thought was 2 scum in Prohawk/Meg/Strange so I’m leaning towards them being on the Cabd wagon

If

Cape90

is scum then I congratulate him on convincing me otherwise.
I suspected

marcistar

before, but this is evidently an engaging play and I'm willing to believe that someone who lost interest in the game wouldn't come to a decision to frame me with killing

Prism

. Only to defend me later (689). Plus post 684 is something made by a townie. A scum would have no reason to point this out. I'm leaving this case for now.

Meuh

's posts like the most recent 693 are also written by a townie. If someone says exactly what I think without me being prodded, like they,

Prism

and

Cape90

did before, then I consider this a townlean. And I tested this with 672.

This leaves the trio of

StrangeMatter

,

ProHawk

and

MegAzumarill

.

MegAzumarill

is the scummiest of them all. Coming over to do tunnelling on me, getting a soft townlean out of it, tactically ignoring my PT reveal only to later decide to use it and

Prism

's death to frame me.

This must be the solution of the game.

The actual logistics of it are complicated.

If Greeting is scum the prism kill is forced, but prism could still be killed with town!Greeting.

Independent of the nightkill I want a Greeting elim on long discussed grounds. I don't think their play matches them as town and there's always the whole PT think prism likely died over.

Prohawk aftee my catchup would be the most likely partner for Greeting. After their exchange with prism it looked townie at first, but looks more like forced cluelessness as scum digging deeper.

So now that other townies aren't so willing to vote me out you're trying to flake out?

[MegAzumarill]

Confused on the last line, please clarify

[MegAzumarill]

Also when has anyone but me been willing to send you out? Prism is the only other person that has shown much interest in that direction.
Are you over estimating the pressure on you?

[Greeting]

You thought this would be easy: my PT reveal, your „meta” research and

Prism

’s death would all work well enough against me. But it isn’t so you’re trying to find a „solution” to the game which involves me being town. Good news, I have one and it involves you being behind all this.