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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I can't think of a single way where I accidentally vigged Gypyx

[mastina]

BTW re: Pooky coaching/defending scumbuddies, I'd like to ask: what COULD Pooky do?

Woolax died before Pooky replaced in.
Gypyx was killed by the Vig. (Yes, said Vig was Pooky, but I have my concerns about clearing him for this.)

Dwlee was cop guiltied by the playerslot who is un-1v1able. What could Pooky do to prevent the Dwlee elimination?

Imaginality was the only slot Pooky could have helped, but we caught imaginality in large part due to a botched fakeclaim, which was botched in a way that Pooky could not have known about the ways it was botched.

Pooky might like to coach and defend scumbuddies, but doing so in this game was quite impossible for him.

Will shows all 5+ ways when home, also:
Dwlee has a spot where they DO look coached, will show when home.

[mastina]

Imaginality was the only slot Pooky could have helped, but we caught imaginality in large part due to a botched fakeclaim,

which was botched in a way that Pooky could not have known about the ways it was botched

.

Um what. how would I not be able to coach Imaginality into making a better fake claim if I was partnered with him?

Bolded for emphasis.

imaginality's claim is the sort of claim that actually matches a claim made after it was run through the coaching process. It's a roleclaim that's remarkably well-fit for the roles we had in the setup claimed at the time. A role that is reasonably strong, has uses left (giving incentive to keep him alive), but not gamebreaking especially with the Godfather alive, and which doesn't have any holes in it that the town could use to prove it's a fakeclaim.

The factors which made it fall apart were things that wouldn't have come up even with you there.

(Also, multitasking via playing tft ranked trying--key word being TRYING--to finally finally push my way into Platinum. So, may not get around to actually doing the things I want to, tonight. I'll be sure to before the end of the Day tho. I have until this time on Wednesday Night/Thursday Morning to do so. Which isn't a lot, admittedly; I want more, but I think that I should get what I need to say.)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the point of fake claiming is not to get caught lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i do appreciate you telling us that you won't have the time to actually have a conversation about this game because you'd rather play tft than actually talk about something we've been playing for a month together.

that's very cool.

[mastina]

the surprising thing is anyone townread them.

Speaking of townreads tho.

Yours are actually a major reason for the Pooky lean.

Rather, the trajectory of them over the course of the game.

[mastina]

She is not going to break her meta to win a scum game
She hates playing scum lol.
She'd rather be able to say at endgame that she can't be scum because of _______ than survive and win a scum game.
It's all about incentives.
She literally has no incentive to break her meta.

This is wrong, tho I'll have to be home to explain why. That Pooky is saying this though is important to the Pooky lean.

So I'm still working on the Pooky compilation post (multitasking doesn't mean not tasking at all on mafia, Pooky, it means precisely what it sounds like, multiple tasks at once; a lack of finishing does not entail a lack of doing at all), so why this is important to the Pooky lean will have to wait.

However, I

can

go into why this is wrong tho.

There's three aspects to things which can/cannot shift in my play:

There are things that are literally biologically impossible because I fundamentally just cannot think of things like that. These are things that cannot shift not for lack of trying but just from not having just...no ability, no capability, to do it whatsoever. I might want to, it's just that they just...my brain works a way and no matter how much I wish it worked a different way, it just...doesn't. These aren't broken not out of laziness, but out of an inability to do so.

There are things that are possible to do, but which my own morals/rules/principles/standards prevent me from doing. As an example of something along these lines to get an idea of what I am talking about: I

believe

that,

technically

speaking, it's not against site rules to, say, lie about the death of a relative. I believe that,

technically

, you could do that--and it would give you an advantage in all your games rather than just one, so it's not even a scum-exclusive thing! Technically speaking, not against the site's rules, so doable, theoretically speaking.

I don't think I really need to describe why something like that is something I would never do, even if it would give me an advantage and even if it is not against site rules. It's unethical, it's immoral, and frankly? A rl-scumbag thing to do. It's disgusting, detestable, unacceptable. We even have proof of it from this game, no less--you can see the accusations against kuribo having

done

this being Very Much Not Okay. If the ACCUSATION of someone lying is Very Much Not Okay (and to be clear...that was VERY MUCH

NOT OKAY

to do), just imagine the accusation actually being

right

.
That may be a bit of an extreme example of my morals/rules/principles/standards/ethics/etc., but it conveys the point I am getting across: some things that may be technically legal and may give you an advantage in a game are just Not Okay to do, period. End of discussion. The game is Not Worth doing Those Things. So they, I basically lump in with the above: they are things that are essentially impossible for me to do, just for a different reason, a self-imposed standard which I feel that

every

player (not just myself) should be held to.

...But then there are things that are not brain-related or ethics-related.
And literally all of those?
All of those, if I did what you were describing, Pooky, that'd be a trust tell.

But all of the things which are like that, aren't trust tells, because you're wrong, Pooky.
I can break them as scum. And have. And do.
There are things that, at some points, have gone from being some of my strongest towntells, to becoming strongly associated with my scumgame from ONE or TWO examples of me having broken the previously-unbroken towntells and them becoming more associated with my scumgame as a consequence.

For instance, rather infamously, at one time, I was known for being

more active

as scum, where

lurking was one of my strongest towntells

.

The inverse is true now, obviously--but there was in fact a time where scumastina was more active than town mastina. Multiple times in fact. It's a bit cyclical; every 2-3 years or so, it shifts between the two. And it

starts

with breaking my meta for a scumgame.

Every scumgame of mine, I

do

try to subvert my meta at least

somewhat

. I obviously have an ideal scum meta that is the polar opposite of my town meta. But just because my scum and town meta are night/day different, doesn't mean that my scumplay has zero subversions of expectations to it. I

do

throw curveballs. I DO change things up.

I treat every scumgame as winnable even when it shouldn't be. I can and do fight my ways through literal 1v9s--and I've actually won some of those literal 1v9s! (It doesn't happen often, but it DOES happen.) And have a track record of, even when failing the 1v9, getting pretty damn close. (4p mylos, 3p lylos, 5p day before lylos, usually the time that scumastina as solo-scum loses.)

I have

every

incentive

every

scumgame to break my meta--at least, somewhat.

All the night/day differences between my scumgame and towngame are, essentially, situational:
I

could

fakeclaim in any of my scumgames. It's not a rule for me to always tell the truth--it's that every single scumgame, I made the determination that trueclaiming was better than fakeclaiming.

I

could

post a lot in any of my scumgames. I actually came close once, in one of my last scumgames! LLD ramrodded a D1 elimination through on me during a time I was sitewide V/LA, but prior to the elimination, I was actually posting

more

in that scumgame than I was my concurrent towngames! (No, really!) Had LLD not ramrodded the D1 elimination on me through during that sitewide V/LA, I'd actually have a scumgame that people would point to as proof that my "I don't post as scum" meta is bullshit. (But, because she did ramrod the elim through on me, the meta still holds

for now

.)

I

could

be a lot more solvey in any of my scumgames rather than passively existing (and maybe posting readslists--that's an example of proving you wrong, Pooky, for instance, as there was a time where scumastina didn't post readslists; my awareness of this obligated me to, as scum, start doing so! So I broke the scumastina-doesn't-do-that meta in my scumgames and now people call readslists nai from me).
It's just that in every scumgame I've played, I've deemed it more advantageous to have not done so in that specific game.

You get the idea.

I can change my meta and DO.
It's just that it needs to fit the game, and quite often, my current meta just...does the job fine.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think scrap/arcanist is underrated tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't even understand your long post

what are you trying to explain to me?

I think you're town because you said you don't post in games as scum.

The meta checks out.

Do you want me to reconsider this?

Do you want me to throw this out the window because you feel bad about being townread this way?

Like I don't really get what you're trying to say.

[Milobird]

Titus are we still sticking to the no Elim plan.
I’m readyish to vote.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[SirCakez]

I'm doing my reread later today don't hammer anything yet

[Milobird]

Hi this is bell again.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[Milobird]

I don't know who that is or what that means

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my memes are wasted on you ;_;

[Titus]

I don't think we should hammer.

I don't think it's mastina or Cakez.

I also think I am going to have trouble investing in the game due to IRL.

[mastina]

I think scrap/arcanist is underrated tbh

I'm basically a fourtrick:
Mutants (forced if void, because I know best that comp)
Academy
Protector
Yordles.

Coincidentally, 3/4 have strong overlap allowing for pivots into any.
(Imperial and/or Assassin are both in the Academy branch, as possible pivots, via Katarina-Talon synergy.)

[mastina]

I don't even understand your long post

what are you trying to explain to me?

I think you're town because you said you don't post in games as scum.

The meta checks out.

Do you want me to reconsider this?

Do you want me to throw this out the window because you feel bad about being townread this way?

Like I don't really get what you're trying to say.

I am contractually obligated to point out anything wrong about a player's assessment of my meta, and your assessment was wrong.

As for the townread?

I'll get to that! Tonight, I hope.

[mastina]

OH speaking of things to do tonight;
The list of ways to accidentally Vig Gypyx is up to eight.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is one of them a typo

[mastina]

is one of them a typo

Close, actually!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

o wow

[SirCakez]

Ok reread is not happening tonight because fucking musical rehearsal is going so long
First thing in the morning

[mastina]

(prolly not doing the Pooky-lean but I'm about to pagetop the why-Pooky-could-accidentally-vig-Gypyx)