Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsa

Unannounced E-1 vote = scum claim

[Salsabil Faria]

Freaking pagetop!!

[Galron]

I thought that was hammer actually.

[Galron]

Hmm guess not. I can't count.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil Faria (3)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski,

Bingle, Almost50, Galron

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I won’t be surprised if all 4 scums are voting me

[Salsabil Faria]

I thought that was hammer actually.

Damn! You missed it!!

[Bingle]

I really dislike GLs auro takes, btw. It reads like gl is calling auro scummy for being paranoid, which is p much the exact opposite of what someone being paranoid usually indicates.

Bings, could you please reword this?

Sorry, yeah. It’s on my to do list I’ve just been busier than expected.

[Auro]

The power of the hammer in the palm of my hand

[Enchant]

Not hammering.

[Enchant]

But gonna be honest, it's tempting.

[Salsabil Faria]

Do you townread me

Enchant

?

[Salsabil Faria]

But gonna be honest, it's tempting.

+1

[Enchant]

If otherwise i would send to anime hell already.

[Enchant]

But gonna be honest, it's tempting.

+1

Wtf you want selfhammer

[Bingle]

UNVOTE:

[Bingle]

TBC, I’m not caught up but I at least want to get back to the GL stuff before the night phase. This is not a reflection of any change in reads, but rather of seeing discussion about hammering and hoping I can stop it.

[Enchant]

You didn't stop it actually.

[Salsabil Faria]

But gonna be honest, it's tempting.

+1

Wtf you want selfhammer

It’s tempting

[T3]

Salsabil Faria (3)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski,

Bingle, Almost50, Galron

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I won’t be surprised if all 4 scums are voting me

Town salsa would 100% self hammer here

[Bingle]

You didn't stop it actually.

I’m not sure who is in hammer range then, but can I please have 12 hours?

I mean, I know I did you dirty in sploders mafia but I got my comeuppance in not getting to explode a bird already.

[T3]

I have no reads why do I have no reads
Except that salsa is scum
Maybe a weak tr on auto because vibes but I might be pulling this out of my ass

[Enchant]

You didn't stop it actually.

I’m not sure who is in hammer range then, but can I please have 12 hours?

I mean, I know I did you dirty in sploders mafia but I got my comeuppance in not getting to explode a bird already.

I give you 24 hours.

I am in good mood.

[GuiltyLion]

Like talking about the likelihood of you flipping, and then bringing up the case where you're NK'd adds nothing to the thread - the only purpose it could have served was some form of cross-team signalling. And note that I'm not referring to his further explanation of it.

It's obvious things wouldn't necessarily be the same if GL was NK'd, no? How often do we see townposts of the form "hmm, if somehow X slot were to be night killed, hmm hmm hmm, then my opinion could change..." (I know this might be an uncharitable twisting of what he was trying to convey, but this is how it comes off to me as possible signalling).

I don't disagree that bringing up the case where I am NK'd adds nothing to the thread but WIFOM, the thing is that I can entirely imagine a town!Pav posting it for his own completeness sake, and to me that explanation feels far more likely/intuitive than it being some sort of cross-team signal.

You're right it's obvious that things wouldn't be the same if I were NK'd, but a lot of people love to say or post obvious things, I don't see this particular instance as scummy at all or worth pressing on. I feel like I see townposts of that form frequently, especially in the Newbie queue (not calling Pav a newbie, just saying it's really not a rare thing to see someone post).

The last bit about uncharitable twisting - you are right, it is uncharitable twisting! don't uncharitably twist!!! That's one of the main patterns I look for to indicate scum mindset - I'm a little thrown that you're just openly acknowledging it.

I think we agree on:
1. The original NK comment in 440 was a kinda useless WIFOMy thing to post
2. Pav would have left it at that if it weren't for Salsa pressing him to keep explaining the original comment repeatedly

Where we disagree:
3. I don't think scum is more likely to post that type of speculation than town
4. I don't see it as a possible signal, I think that's a big ole reach

I do appreciate you clarifying the dropped "if" as how you misread, that makes your gotcha attempt make more sense to me. I still think it's kinda bad to rush to post a gotcha question instead of like, rereading the post to make sure you understood Pav's post correctly, because if he HAD posted that it'd be pretty transparently bizarre reasoning, but I do understand your misinterpretation better now.

[Galron]

I don't think in this instance that it's an uncharitable reading of what Pav said. We're in multi-ball, and it seems to me to be good play to coordinate night kills if possible. If you look at 440, the second and third sentences are unnecessary to the point the Pav was making, and the more I look at them the more I think, why did he even go there?

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil Faria (3)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski,

Bingle, Almost50, Galron

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I won’t be surprised if all 4 scums are voting me

Town salsa would 100% self hammer here