Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[T3]

a50 and rh9 vote galron
egix votes kyo
quality vc later

[Almost50]

I am not going to dignify Egix' case on me. It's not worth my time and effort.

[RH9]

Are you sure that Galron isn't getting framed? Honestly I feel like Galron did make a lot of pushes which is more likely done by Mafia looking for a easy push than Town. Would like Galron to respond as soon as possible because it is not looking good for him.

How am I getting framed?

Someone will need to explain that to me.

You were on the opposing wagon. Roden gets killed. Almost50 has me convinced that you're Mafia.

[Galron]

Are you sure that Galron isn't getting framed? Honestly I feel like Galron did make a lot of pushes which is more likely done by Mafia looking for a easy push than Town. Would like Galron to respond as soon as possible because it is not looking good for him.

How am I getting framed?

Someone will need to explain that to me.

You were on the opposing wagon. Roden gets killed. Almost50 has me convinced that you're Mafia.

I guess I can see that. Reading it again I see I failed to ask how pushes are scum indicative. If you think my pushes come from Mafia rather than Town, will you explain how so?

[RH9]

Are you sure that Galron isn't getting framed? Honestly I feel like Galron did make a lot of pushes which is more likely done by Mafia looking for a easy push than Town. Would like Galron to respond as soon as possible because it is not looking good for him.

How am I getting framed?

Someone will need to explain that to me.

You were on the opposing wagon. Roden gets killed. Almost50 has me convinced that you're Mafia.

I guess I can see that. Reading it again I see I failed to ask how pushes are scum indicative. If you think my pushes come from Mafia rather than Town, will you explain how so?

You were hardly pushing Mafia. You kept on pushing Town. (At least that's if numberQ is Town which is what I currently think.)

[RH9]

Are you sure that Galron isn't getting framed? Honestly I feel like Galron did make a lot of pushes which is more likely done by Mafia looking for a easy push than Town. Would like Galron to respond as soon as possible because it is not looking good for him.

How am I getting framed?

Someone will need to explain that to me.

You were on the opposing wagon. Roden gets killed. Almost50 has me convinced that you're Mafia.

I guess I can see that. Reading it again I see I failed to ask how pushes are scum indicative. If you think my pushes come from Mafia rather than Town, will you explain how so?

You were hardly pushing Mafia. You kept on pushing Town. (At least that's if numberQ is Town which is what I currently think.)

Actually UNVOTE: Galron
I think that maybe pushes could be NAI.

[Galron]

Do this please. Re-read 978 slowly and think about it. Note the placement of the verbs and propositions. Then read your responses to that post. Then tell me if that changes anything you wrote.

Also, please define NAI, not the acronym but the concept.

[RH9]

Do this please. Re-read 978 slowly and think about it. Note the placement of the verbs and propositions. Then read your responses to that post. Then tell me if that changes anything you wrote.

Also, please define NAI, not the acronym but the concept.

I define NAI as something which both Town and Mafia could do. I have reread. I apologise again for misreading your actions and for my terrible response which was built from the misread. It does change everything.

Galron, who do you think should be eliminated today?

[RH9]

I am not going to dignify Egix' case on me. It's not worth my time and effort.

Almost50, your push on Galron has absolutely nothing to do with Galron voting you previously, right? Rereading everything at Galron's behest makes me wonder if your vote on Galron has something to do with Galron himself.

[Galron]

I don't know who should be eliminated today. I'm leaning toward Taly, but it may be I just need to re-read redtea and hear more from Taly himself. I know your question was directed at A50, but I think I'm in his PoE, and I think he mentioned that earlier this phase. I've played enough with A50 that he should have something against me, because I'm nowhere near the player he is and I screw things up more often than not, but I don't think he's got a personal bias against me. I think it's just PoE.

[RH9]

I don't know who should be eliminated today. I'm leaning toward Taly, but it may be I just need to re-read redtea and hear more from Taly himself. I know your question was directed at A50, but I think I'm in his PoE, and I think he mentioned that earlier this phase. I've played enough with A50 that he should have something against me, because I'm nowhere near the player he is and I screw things up more often than not, but I don't think he's got a personal bias against me. I think it's just PoE.

Ok that's good to hear. I was worried because I spectated Newbie 2082 in which Newbie 2080 was brought up as part of reasoning behind votes.

[Galron]

I don't recall those games. There is something though in what I just wrote in which you could push me for. It's an example of me not being clear.

[Galron]

You were hardly pushing Mafia. You kept on pushing Town. (At least that's if numberQ is Town which is what I currently think.)

There's a possible perspective slip here that I'm mulling over.

[RH9]

Honestly, I guess that you are rising in my townreads. You trying to solve and sort me makes me think that you are Town. I feel like if you manage to successfully push me, you could find more associative tells.

[RH9]

numberQ, who do you want eliminated?
(I admit. This is to help me read people based on whether they are wishing to eliminate out of spite or out of actual solving intent.)

[RH9]

I'm talking to myself.

[Almost50]

I am not going to dignify Egix' case on me. It's not worth my time and effort.

Almost50, your push on Galron has absolutely nothing to do with Galron voting you previously, right? Rereading everything at Galron's behest makes me wonder if your vote on Galron has something to do with Galron himself.

No it doesn't. It has to do with my belief his actions and justifications were less than optimum. I don't want to effort much, so take this one off the top of my head:
numberQ (4): Roden, Not_Mafia, RH9, Galron

Why put numberQ @E-1 here if he wasn't committed to a SR on them? I rememeber him jumping on you too after that. And the last straw was him being on you instead of N_M.

I mean, from VCA alone I could go Taly or ssbm.

You know what?

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

She looks as bad as Galron on that VCA. Then we decide if Taly hammered N_M for credit, Egix was an early bus, or Galron tried to save his p.

[Galron]

I had to go back to see why I voted Q, and I explained it -- I think I was the only one to explain their vote on Q -- in 802. Per 810 it looks like Roden was sheeping Kyouko, RH9 was sheeping Roden and N_M was doing whatever N_M does. But that early vote by N_M leads me to thinking Q is probably town. I don't think N_M would go for the early bus when scum are dominating this game.

[Galron]

I had to go back to see why I voted Q, and I explained it -- I think I was the only one to explain their vote on Q -- in 802. Per 810 it looks like Roden was sheeping Kyouko, RH9 was sheeping Roden and N_M was doing whatever N_M does. But that early vote by N_M leads me to thinking Q is probably town. I don't think N_M would go for the early bus when scum are dominating this game.

Dominating at that point.

[Galron]

That leaves

Almost50
Egix96
numberQ
ssbm_Kyouko
redtea/Taly
Gamma Emerald/RH9

Out of those six I really only townlean Egix and numberQ, and Egix for no great reason.

[numberQ]

numberQ, who do you want eliminated?
(I admit. This is to help me read people based on whether they are wishing to eliminate out of spite or out of actual solving intent.)

If I had to choose somebody right now, it would be Egix. I'm not super confident about it, though. What do you mean you're looking for people that want to eliminate out of spite? Like, who could I have said that would have made you think that?

[numberQ]

Why TR Egix, Galron? "no great reason" implies there's some reason, I'm curious what it is.

[Galron]

It's meta, and I'm trying to get away from relying on meta. But I don't know Egix's scum game, so it's really not a good reason to town read him. There is nothing that anyone has done in this game that pops out as hard town for me.

[RH9]

numberQ, who do you want eliminated?
(I admit. This is to help me read people based on whether they are wishing to eliminate out of spite or out of actual solving intent.)

If I had to choose somebody right now, it would be Egix. I'm not super confident about it, though. What do you mean you're looking for people that want to eliminate out of spite? Like, who could I have said that would have made you think that?

It is just a precaution. I saw it happen once and I don't want to see it again. It happened in Newbie 2082.

[Taly]

Then we decide if Taly hammered N_M for credit,

Or we can answer it now because I'm not keen on being an elo-causing or final mislim, I have quite enough experience with that.

RH9

was and is a townread to me

Regardless of how you view my alignment, lolhammering

RH9

would be gamethrowing in my perspective.

So don't shelve me with a weak justification that I could be scum trying to get credit. That just makes it even more difficult to tell how good faith your disposition is towards me.

And

Galron

, if you have two townreads one with hedgey reasoning behind, what are you doing to rectify that?