Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[T3]

Enchant hammer salsa
Do it

[Roden]

VOTE: Salsa

That's E-1 btw, not hammer.

[Enchant]

What are you trying to achieve

[Bingle]

Sorry, passed out last night before I got to this.

Doing some Jingle stuff and then y’all are the priority.

[DArby]

it felt like you were townreading me with my interactions with Pan/Koba where I had a similar vibe to what I'm getting from GL, who you were scumreading.

Uh, no? Not at all. No idea how you drew that conclusion.

My standard way of reading people is based on play. I don't do a lot of tone reads or RT or anything like that (with an exception here and there). Mostly I try and look at people's reasoning and try and tell if it comes from Town or Scum. I have some experimental read type stuff (like the TvS read from last game [that was wrong]) but I generally just play it straight.

Hm. I’ll think on this then.

[Salsabil Faria]

What are you trying to achieve

Miselimination... duuh!

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Salsa

That's E-1 btw, not hammer.

No thoughts on literally anything else?

[DArby]

What are you trying to achieve

Miselimination... duuh!

lol

VOTE: Salsa

[GuiltyLion]

:/ I don't like hammering there before Bingle gets to say his stuff

[Enchant]

I hear voices in my head, it's braincells dying from existance in this game.

I bet on Green flip btw.

[DArby]

I’m really sorry Bings but pushing for your own lim really itches my hammer finger.

[Bingle]

Aight here. Shotgunning to try to beat thread lock.

[Bingle]

GL v Auro:

GL is pushing the idea that auro being aggressive and assuming that someone is scum until proven otherwise is scummy, when I think that's actually just a good way to make the pressure worth something.

GL townfire isn't a reference to GL aggressively pushing someone, but rather the kind of super in depth analysis he posted (presumably) on the last few pages. Haven't actually read them for content, but they look superficially like GL townposts.

[Bingle]

Shitpush =/= push with bad logic but rather push that is poorly executed.

The distinction is small but there.

A shitpush can be based on a solid tell, but isn't likely to be compelling.
A bad push can be convincing but isn't particularly likely to be on scum (though it can be).

[Auro]

Sigh, Darby...

[Bingle]

I still think Pav is town despite the possible signaling because I think scum is likely super paranoid about posting that kind of thing and avoids it like the plague. OTOH, calling attention to something that looks superficially like signaling like name escapes me but I'm voting them did is a way to signal without being the person actually doing the signaling. It also probably ducks other scum hunting for scum signaling but dodges calling out the signaling to town in order to keep the signaling alive if it actually is. Pretty tinfoily, but I also didn't like reactions so I think it's a solid flip.

[Bingle]

Auro prob town for the opposite of the above. Signal hunting AND calling it out shows signal hunting for all of the right reasons. I also like the aggression here, and I think Auro is actively scumhunting.

Multiball, so not the end all be all of reasons to townread someone, but at the very least Auro is townsiding scum so I'm fine with leaving him around for the time being.

[Bingle]

Did I miss anything that needs to be addressed ASAP in case I die?

[Bingle]

If no one tells me about something I should prioritize I'm going to take a quick look at GL's walls, but I'm not sure exactly how long I have here.

[Auro]

Recap thoughts on enchant, galron?

[Bingle]

thinking that it's signaling feels to me like assuming Pav's alignment/motivations first and analyzing his post second. Like if I start from Pav being scum, could that be a signal? Maybe. Do I look at his post and think it's such clear signaling that it makes Pav more likely to be scum? No.

Looking at this while heading to wall posts in ISO, this kinda sums up some of what I was suspecting of GL, but backwards.

GL is saying Auro is scummy for assuming Pav to be scum and then continuing. I feel like GL might be scum for assuming Pav is town and then continuing. Less sure based on maybe townfire from GL. He is much more motivated to high effort as town so if that ends up being the case instead of IIoA then this is probably a playstyle thing.

[Bingle]

enchant, galron?

Don't think I have any?

I don't remember either doing anything particularly AI in this game, but I am a little checked out and only really remember the things that gave strong impressions.

Anything specific you want impressions on?

[Auro]

Nah, just if there were any convincing reasons they could be town. Enchant should be a relatively fast ISO skim, if you'd want to.

[Bingle]

Disagree theory wise but promising start.

FWIW, imo survivalism is a stronger PR tell than scumtell. I usually avoid voting out people based on survivalism on D1 if I think they might be a PR.

Also, heavily meta based.

I kinda got the impression from skimming that Salsa is showing anti PR and survivalism simultaneously so I think this is genuine scumhunting.

[Bingle]

Enchant scummy, but lives to D3 unmolested.

Dropped some pretty obvious PR tells in a way that look intentional. Would rather solve them through nightplay/associations.