Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

Anyway the way SA is pressuring Bingle means the SA/Bingle team was definitely wrong

[Sleepless Assassin]

Lazy is the wrong word in Dwelees case because he had just replaced in. But for game purposes its the same idea. I understand it, but it doesn't help any

[Dwlee99]

Ig sleepless has two people before Bingle (me/enchant) but given Bingle is widely townread I don't see them doing that unless the goal was specifically to swap deepwolf or to try to flip SA and give Bingle more towncred - but then why would bingle be alive would be too much of an issue for scum!Bingle.

[Dwlee99]

Anyway going for swapping deepwolf would be losing strategy so SA/Bingle unaligned and I must have incorrectly town binned someone

[Dwlee99]

VC 1.8

Iconeum

(5)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower,

Gamma Emerald, Datisi

, Fun and Games
Dunnstral (2)- VP Baltar,

Iconeum

Gamma Emerald (2)-

Almost50

, Bingle

Not_Mafia

(1)-

Not_Mafia

Sleepless Assassin (1)- Enchant
Fun and Games (1)-

SirCakez

Not voting (1)- Dunnstral

VC 1.FINAL

DArby

(7)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower, Fun and Games,

Almost50, Datisi, Gamma Emerald

, Enchant (HAMMER)

Gamma Emerald

(4)- Bingle,

DArby

, VP Baltar,

Dwlee99

Toogeloo (1)-

SirCakez

Not voting (1)- Toogeloo

[Dwlee99]

I would say datisi/GE hopping off then back on is a bad look but they were both town lol

[Dwlee99]

Unhelpful takeaways: I think one scum on wagon for Darby : SA/PP/F&G/Enchant. Enchant's vote is conventionally the worst (scum are most likely to hammer scum by some stats) but scum also can play around this to look less bad because they know what will look the least bad. Am thinking though that Enchant/F&G are most likely bus votes despite this, although idk if F&G would be paying attention to the whole third vote thing. (Would you?)

Other one is probably off wagon leaving us with Bingle/VP/Toog

Wouldn't mind flipping Bingle because if he is scum then I was right earlier :^)

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm back in Datisis Iso and this would be concerning to a pretty widely town read scum player:

re bingle's 1196: right, thanks. it's just that i feel like i got a townread on you there very early on, compared to here i didn't. maybe it's those three effort cases you posted early game there.

I know Datisi wasn't pushing Bingle as scum or anything up to this point, but if Bingle is scum he'd see Datisi as a thorn in his side asking a lot of questions and not giving out a free town read. If the team is Enchant/Bingle, a Datisi NK absolutely had to happen for them.

at this point in time - i do Not want to vote myself, baltar, you, pp, a50 (should i be getting worried about his shitposting?), bingle (kinda good vibes but don't quote me on that), and sleepless (kinda sorta, mulling vp's case over, and wanna see what he comes back with)

i noticed cakez has been kinda doing Less as the time is passing by and i'm not sure i'm a fan

all of n_m / dunn / enchant are voteable if we need a yeet, + enchant is doing even less recently than before so i'm even more tempted to just get that out of the way early

and then darby and gamma, still not impressed with the first one and gamma has fallen off a bit in the recent times

will finish reading, look at a few isos, then figure out where to vote

Worth noting that VP as scum would have been comfortable keeping Datisi alive after this. Looks like the VP town read grew a ton after this too.. Enchant definitely wouldn't. Nothing else really changes or strongly confirms my opinions so far. He still seems to have Bingle as "town for now".

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It's not a huge thing now, but anyone questioning the quality of Datisis play, it feels obvious in hindsight his Sircakez thing was just looking for associatives in case Iconeum/Darby flipped scum because he had a shot to take advantage vig. He thought he had a partner and he took the shot. I wouldn't have agreed but I can follow what he was doing so it's hard to be mad.

Datisi if you went back and forth on Enchant and chose sircakez and Enchant turns out to be scum I feel your pain

Oh I'd forgotten about this:

Okay, yeah A50 is lock town.

please say sike

Hmm.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Ig sleepless has two people before Bingle (me/enchant) but given Bingle is widely townread I don't see them doing that unless the goal was specifically to swap deepwolf or to try to flip SA and give Bingle more towncred - but then why would bingle be alive would be too much of an issue for scum!Bingle.

I'm actually starting to think Bingle is more likely than you especially if Enchant turns out to be scum. Looking at the vote counts you just posted seems to point that way too.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I really want to Iso Almost50 too but don't know of I have time. I'm working 16 hours today just to get up on short sleep and work again tomorrow then the weekend is who the hell knows but probably even worse. Thanks COVID.

Oh speaking of that I should probably say in here

V/LA until Monday

I'll be trying to check in but I won't be myself.

[Bingle]

Bingle - what's up buddy? You are very quiet for someone who felt rushed yesterday and unable to get your thoughts out.

RL. Been busy the last few days and struggling to find time to post.

I should be able to fix that today at least to some extent, but full time Bingle energy likely won’t come until the weekend.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I looked at Almost50. He really didn't do a ton with reads. He was dead wrong about Gamma. He was wrong about Iconeum/Darby although he did vote there for thinking Darby had a stronger role than Gamma lol. I do notice he had Enchant low on his reads list but he only mentioned that a few times. I think it's more likely Almost50 was killed for being a possible power role or being too widely town read than being a threat to find the scum.

[Fun and Games]

Yes but the analysis is good imo, and +town for sa

What do u think of my vote on u

@dwlee

~ skitter

I think you want me to post more

Yes + want to hear more abt your scumreads
Also you're probably the person/slot i townread the least

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Am thinking though that Enchant/F&G are most likely bus votes despite this, although idk if F&G would be paying attention to the whole third vote thing. (Would you?)

Not sure what you're asking tbh

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I really want to Iso Almost50 too but don't know of I have time. I'm working 16 hours today just to get up on short sleep and work again tomorrow then the weekend is who the hell knows but probably even worse. Thanks COVID.

Oh speaking of that I should probably say in here

V/LA until Monday

I'll be trying to check in but I won't be myself.

Oh no i hope today doesnt end up being too bad

~ skitter

[Dwlee99]

Am thinking though that Enchant/F&G are most likely bus votes despite this, although idk if F&G would be paying attention to the whole third vote thing. (Would you?)

Not sure what you're asking tbh

~ skitter

Do you believe in the third vote on a wagon tell

[Dwlee99]

Yes but the analysis is good imo, and +town for sa

What do u think of my vote on u

@dwlee

~ skitter

I think you want me to post more

Yes + want to hear more abt your scumreads
Also you're probably the person/slot i townread the least

~ skitter

No scumreads?

[Sleepless Assassin]

Am thinking though that Enchant/F&G are most likely bus votes despite this, although idk if F&G would be paying attention to the whole third vote thing. (Would you?)

Not sure what you're asking tbh

~ skitter

Do you believe in the third vote on a wagon tell

Lol people told me the Amished tell was old and now we're talking about JEEPS tells. I don't have an opinion on this, just found it amusing.

[Andante]

Alright, I finally have time, and am on my laptop. legoooo Sleepless probably town for all the effort, like, yeah I was suspicious yesterday, but I'm not limming him today

[Andante]

Fun and Games was all "A50 has to be town" the only one who really saw the momentum flip, I see no reason scum would leave skitter and pooky alive here either, those 2 are strong players individually, and now they are 1. Fun and Games is 10000% flipping scum

Hello i need more of an explanation for how you went from mindmeld yesterday to this

~ skitter

@andante when u have a chance plz

~ skitter

Yeah, I briefly gave stuff last night on that, but basically, yes I agreed on the gamma vote, but it felt like yall were trying to rush the gamma lim, and me seeing A50 die over yall, got me super suspicious, but like, I've had time to think, I think yall would've killed A50 over Dats, so I'm no longer as nervous in yall flipping scum, yeah. My brain makes 50 million leaps.
If the scum team isn't VP and Dwlee, I have no freaking clue who it is, maybe dunn/toog can get tossed in there? idk, I've been skimming some, Sleepless has so many words, I'm sure they're good words, but essays lose me, I prefer the tldr for stuff not "here's an essay on this"

[Bingle]

Okay, kinda have some time to devote to this, though I'm going to be in and out of my office for a while.

Any chance someone could grab a tl;dr of what I need to respond to? I'll arbitrarily townread you for at least an hour if you do.

[Enchant]

Surprising but this setup not helpful to hammering partners.

Like, if i was maf i knew what PR are here and my partners as well too.

Claiming something which we didn't add buy off time always (well not for long considered Vig shot IC but... Wait lol)

[Sleepless Assassin]

Andante,
I summarized at the bottom. Could you at least take a look at that? Seems weird to townread me for stuff you haven't read and then have complete opposite opinions from mine. I'm towreading your slot as well so not being on the same page, we should probably figure out why. It makes me nervous that Toog is probably my strongest town read and VP not far off and you have them as possible scum but on this page have nothing to say on my potential Enchant/Bingle team.

[Andante]

Andante,
I summarized at the bottom. Could you at least take a look at that? Seems weird to townread me for stuff you haven't read and then have complete opposite opinions from mine. I'm towreading your slot as well so not being on the same page, we should probably figure out why. It makes me nervous that Toog is probably my strongest town read and VP not far off and you have them as possible scum but on this page have nothing to say on my potential Enchant/Bingle team.

I agree with whoever saying Enchant probably wouldn't boldly hammer like that as scum
and Bingle is cool, I like Bingle! If Bingle was scum, Bingle had no incentive to even talk D2

[VP Baltar]

If Bingle was scum, Bingle had no incentive to even talk D2

Bingle didn't pop in until after the hammer. Not sure that really says anything about alignment.