Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[GuiltyLion]

GL is pushing the idea that auro being aggressive and assuming that someone is scum until proven otherwise is scummy, when I think that's actually just a good way to make the pressure worth something.

I think maybe this is why we haven't seen eye to eye on stuff. I think you can be firm with pressure without making assumptions that someone is scum. I try (though don't always succeed) to maintain the mindset that most players are likely town until there's good evidence otherwise, just based on probability/Bayesian reasoning

[Auro]

most players are likely town until there's good evidence otherwise

No fun in that

[Bingle]

575 leaves me vaguely unsettled, but I'm not sure why. Like... I don't think there's anything there I find objectionable, but it just doesn't feel bleeding town like I'd expect GL effort posting to feel.

I'm getting the vague sense that GL is leaning on theory to supplement his activity, but I don't know if that's confbias from the earlier scumread.

GL, can I get a tl;dr with only conclusions you've drawn from your analysis at your earliest convenience if you live through the night?

[Almost50]

[GuiltyLion]

GL, can I get a tl;dr with only conclusions you've drawn from your analysis at your earliest convenience if you live through the night?

yeah, definitely. I think probably my activity doesn't feel up to standard because my main suspect flaked out of the game and I was also fine with the counterwagon (in part due to multi ball). if I'm alive the picture will definitely be shaken up on D2 so I'll prob have more to ~ do ~

[Bingle]

I think maybe this is why we haven't seen eye to eye on stuff. I think you can be firm with pressure without making assumptions that someone is scum. I try (though don't always succeed) to maintain the mindset that most players are likely town until there's good evidence otherwise, just based on probability/Bayesian reasoning

Sure, but people react more strongly if you treat them like they're guilty. I start the game with a bunch of suspects and try to figure out names I can trust from that.

I think I'm actually somewhere between you and Auro, in that I try to tailor whether I treat someone inno or guilty as a baseline to the individual player. For example, if you tell Nancy she's scum early she gets pissed and becomes super readable. If you try the same thing with a newbie, odds are decent they'll freak out and shut up regardless of alignment.

[Almost50]

Just a recommendation and absolutely not binding

: CPR Doc could target Enchant

[Auro]

Almost50 signalling! Scum confirmed

[Not_Mafia]

VC 1.09

Galron (0)-

Enchant (1)-

Auro

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (3)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, Auro*

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (1)-

Salsabil Faria

GuiltyLion (0)-

Salsabil Faria (7)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski, Almost50, Galron, Roden, DArby

-ELIMINATED

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Galron*, Bingle

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

Mod Notes

*Vote was a mod error, Bingle was omitted from the original VC

[Not_Mafia]

Salsabil Faria

has been

Eliminated

day 1

Spoiler: Flip

Vanilla Townie

[/spoiler]

You have

(expired on 2021-12-04 18:00:00)

to submit any actions

[Not_Mafia]

Almost50

has been

Incinerated

night 1

Spoiler: Flip

Town Innocent Child Publishing Cop

[/spoiler]

The residents of the town also gather around the noticeboard in the town square to find a message;

For a good time call...

Roden

is aligned with the

Town

[Not_Mafia]

VC 2.00

Galron (0)-

Enchant (0)-

Pavowski (0)-

Roden (0)-

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (0)-

GuiltyLion (0)-

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (11)-

Galron, Enchant, Pavowski, Roden, Bingle, LicketyQuickety, GuiltyLion, DArby, Auro, mc esther, T3

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-14 19:00:00)

- Dec 14th 19:00 GMT

[Bingle]

Spoiler:

VC 1.09

Galron (0)-

Enchant (1)-

Auro

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (3)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, Auro

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (1)-

Salsabil Faria

GuiltyLion (0)-

Salsabil Faria (7)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski, Almost50, Galron, Roden, DArby

-ELIMINATED

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Galron

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

VC 1.07

Galron (0)-

Enchant (1)-

Salsabil Faria

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (4)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, DArby, Auro

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (1)-

Roden

GuiltyLion (0)-

Salsabil Faria (5)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski, Bingle, Almost50,

DArby (1)-

Enchant

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Galron,

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

VC 1.08

Galron (0)-

Enchant (0)-

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (3)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, Auro

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (3)-

Roden, Salsabil Faria, DArby

GuiltyLion (0)-

Salsabil Faria (5)-

T3, mc esther, Pavowski, Almost50, Galron

(E-2)

DArby (1)-

Enchant

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Galron

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

Roden salsa TvT makes me feel better about Darby. No reason for scum to lend weight to a new wagon when there’s dueling wagons on not your team.

Was anyone cheerleading the roden salsa fight?

[Pavowski]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did and somebody else got doc's and frozen, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

[Bingle]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did and somebody else got doc's and frozen, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

Useless discussion, imo.

[Bingle]

Actually… VOTE: pav

That’s potentially a very useful discussion for scum. Why did you bring it up?

[Pavowski]

Actually… VOTE: pav

That’s potentially a very useful discussion for scum. Why did you bring it up?

Mostly because I want to confirm my understanding of mechanics. In what way does it benefit scum? Everybody on both scum teams knows what happened.

[Pavowski]

Actually I guess they don't necessarily, withdrawing that

[Pavowski]

Fire team doesn't know what ice team did, I am dumb

[Galron]

I thought that the single kill was slightly clearing for Pav due to the signalling discussion.

[Galron]

Was going to ask how he knew that Team Fire killed A50 but I figured it out.

[Pavowski]

Was going to ask how he knew that Team Fire killed A50 but I figured it out.

I am an idiot possessed of the deep knowledge

[Bingle]

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

[Bingle]

UNVOTE:

I think not thinking this through is vaguely +town for Pav, actually?

[Not_Mafia]

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

Yes death flavours are indicative. Ice Mafia is

Frozen

, Fire Mafia is

Incinerated

and a CPR Doc kill is

Shocked

. If all three were to target a player, the fire and ice mafia kills would cancel out and the CPR Doc would kill the player. I will add this to the rules section.