Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Fun and Games]

He also suspected you

gamma did not suspect me past our spat on D1. He was calling me town.

I dont remember exactly when he switched, but again, why is this relevant

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Where exactly do you see this happening? And how are we at once being guarded and loose ...?

I see it happening in Pooky straight not posting. I asked for his scum reads, he said "skitter will handle that". Huh interesting. That wasn't an issue before.

I'm not saying you're being both guarded and loose. I'm saying you were being much more loose until the Gamma lim, now you're being guarded.

[Toogeloo]

Surprising but this setup not helpful to hammering partners.

Like, if i was maf i knew what PR are here and my partners as well too.

Claiming something which we didn't add buy off time always (well not for long considered Vig shot IC but... Wait lol)

This setup doesn't have any effect on scum play other than knowing the setup and playing around that information. Scum do what scum do if they think it's right at the time.

[VP Baltar]

He also suspected you

gamma did not suspect me past our spat on D1. He was calling me town.

I dont remember exactly when he switched, but again, why is this relevant

~ skitter

They are town. They had suspicions. Are you saying suspicions from confirmed town players are not worth anything?

[Fun and Games]

Him not posting != 'guarded'
It means he's bored, and that's not scum indicative

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

That's a strawman, and the fact rhat he's confirmed town doesnt mean his reads are right, as evidenced by the fact that he spent half of day1 pushing you from your pov, and you're being selective in looking at gamma and cakez, and not dats or a50

~ skitter

[Bingle]

SA/Bingle team

Was this a real thing? Why?

Have you read like any of our interactions?

[Fun and Games]

I see it happening in Pooky straight not posting. I asked for his scum reads, he said "skitter will handle that". Huh interesting. That wasn't an issue before.

Also how on earth is this being guarded, i literally answeted that question like 10 minutes after this ...

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Are you basically positing that we're scum with ico, pushed him since like p2, but badgered dats to gauge how viable a wagon was while pushing our partner the whole time? That doesnt even make sense ...

Looking at your iso, it was not really pushing until the wagon was viable. So yes, it makes very good sense if you were buddies building a bussing case, but keeping your options open if town happened to want to lim someone else D1.

[Toogeloo]

I think that scum liked the way the Gamma elimination happened. A quick Elim on a town slot is generally a sign that town banded together and erred as a whole, and I would argue less likely that scum drove it home. Scum probably was on Gamma, but I think town drove that wagon.

[Fun and Games]

We were pushing ico for most of the day ...

Why is more likely that we wete scum bussing when the wagon became viable than town waiting for the wagon to be viable exactly?

If we're the former why dont we hop off when gamma then became viable?

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

That's a strawman, and the fact rhat he's confirmed town doesnt mean his reads are right, as evidenced by the fact that he spent half of day1 pushing you from your pov, and you're being selective in looking at gamma and cakez, and not dats or a50

~ skitter

A50 was barely playing the game to the point he died. But let's be generous and say the dead town were 50/50 on you. Guess I'm making a gut call to break the tie.

[Fun and Games]

You're ignoring the firsf half of that post, just pointing that out

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Which, in my mind, is significantly more important than the second half

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Him not posting != 'guarded'
It means he's bored, and that's not scum indicative

~ skitter

I don't believe Pooky is bored really. He likes to play the game. Look at him going buck wild yesterday with Andante trying to spam me into the dirt. He was having fun.

Pooky is a bombastic player who is smart enough to know that following a miselim you had a hand in, that type of play isn't likely to go over well. So skitter will handle it raises my hackles.

Also, pooky is bored, but ready to drop a response the moment I vote you? okee dokee.

[VP Baltar]

Him not posting != 'guarded'
It means he's bored, and that's not scum indicative

~ skitter

I don't believe Pooky is bored really. He likes to play the game. Look at him going buck wild yesterday with Andante trying to spam me into the dirt. He was having fun.

Pooky is a bombastic player who is smart enough to know that following a miselim you had a hand in, that type of play isn't likely to go over well. So skitter will handle it raises my hackles.

Also, pooky is bored, but ready to drop a response the moment I vote you? okee dokee.

[Bingle]

Bingle is scum he'd see Datisi as a thorn in his side

I definitely shouldn't be townread off the back of Dats dying, but thinking this is a reason I'd kill someone is hilarious, tbh.

Hi, my name is Bingle and I actively want to be scumread as scum. And also as town. In the former case because having something to defend against means I don't have to effort about generating reads and in the latter because analyzing why I'm being scumread helps me to generate reads. I truly despise being a UTR regardless of my alignment.

[VP Baltar]

You're ignoring the firsf half of that post, just pointing that out

~ skitter

No it doesn't mean his reads are right, but I've never played with you skitter. Two players who have and who I know are town said your posting style felt off to them very early on. Why should I not consider that?

That's the same reason you "pushed" Ico from very early on. Seems a valid concern doesn't it?

[Fun and Games]

Him not posting != 'guarded'
It means he's bored, and that's not scum indicative

~ skitter

I don't believe Pooky is bored really. He likes to play the game. Look at him going buck wild yesterday with Andante trying to spam me into the dirt. He was having fun.

Pooky is a bombastic player who is smart enough to know that following a miselim you had a hand in, that type of play isn't likely to go over well. So skitter will handle it raises my hackles.

Also, pooky is bored, but ready to drop a response the moment I vote you? okee dokee.

Again you're failing to explain why this is scum indicative
He also isnt exactly a 'guarded' scum player (if anything i'm the one who would be) or afraid to post ...

And if he was having fun as scum with andante yesterday, why does he suddenly choose to become guarded, this isnt even internally consistant ...

~ skitter

[Bingle]

Claiming something which we didn't add buy off time always (well not for long considered Vig shot IC but... Wait lol)

:/

I'm not sure why "Darby should have claimed" means you're not scum. Walk me through it? If anything I'd expect literally everyone on this list to have coached a claim.

[Fun and Games]

You're ignoring the firsf half of that post, just pointing that out

~ skitter

No it doesn't mean his reads are right, but I've never played with you skitter. Two players who have and who I know are town said your posting style felt off to them very early on. Why should I not consider that?

That's the same reason you "pushed" Ico from very early on. Seems a valid concern doesn't it?

Neither of them know how to read me, so i wouldnt give a lot of weight to it
(Like cakez for example townread me in the last 2 games i played with town-him, and i was scum. Me being off in comparison to that means what exactly?)

Ironically enuf i would give more weight to a50's read but this is the one you want to ignore so eh

Dunno what you mean by the last paragraph

~ skitter

[Bingle]

Andante,
I summarized at the bottom. Could you at least take a look at that? Seems weird to townread me for stuff you haven't read and then have complete opposite opinions from mine. I'm towreading your slot as well so not being on the same page, we should probably figure out why. It makes me nervous that Toog is probably my strongest town read and VP not far off and you have them as possible scum but on this page have nothing to say on my potential Enchant/Bingle team.

Probably +town?

I definitely like that sleepless is actively looking for people to criticize his cases.

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: vpbaltar

This is nonsense and seems like you're trying to construct a narrative

Pedit ya i agree

~ skitter

[Bingle]

If Bingle was scum, Bingle had no incentive to even talk D2

Bingle didn't pop in until after the hammer. Not sure that really says anything about alignment.

In my defense, I tried to derail the wagon. Kind of. I was just to late. Also, I talked myself back into the scumread in twilight, so I was still wrong in the end.

[VP Baltar]

And if he was having fun as scum with andante yesterday, why does he suddenly choose to become guarded, this isnt even internally consistant .

Because gamma flipped green. You need to be sufficiently contrite.

Acting erratically is more likely to draw attention after a miselim. And you post much more rationally and calmly skitter.