Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[VP Baltar]

And also were quite clearly rageOMGUS

How am I OMGUSing when they weren't voting me?

oh you're saying Gamma was. My bad.

Sure, Gamma gets emotional. But doesn't mean he's entirely wrong. Particularly since this was taking place pre-Darby flip.

[Fun and Games]

VP TMI'd me as town here.

I thought you didn't believe in TMI

[Fun and Games]

Gamma's scum accusations against F&G came later in the day.

And also were quite clearly rageOMGUS, not "Skitter's play is off."

VOTE: VP

Maybe I'm being greedy, but I think VP TMI'd me as town here.

Fwiw i dont think he did

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

what does he hate about this post from A50?

I hated it because A50 was pushing the Gamma wagon all day and then bailed when it was a viable option. That type of move always raises questions for me, especially in a D1 scenario where only scum know the outcome of the wagon for sure.

Clearly I was incorrect though, so shrug.

[VP Baltar]

So Pooky, if I'm understanding correctly, you came into today wanting to go both barrels on me, but skitter wasn't sure, and so you agreed to not post as much then because your reads were out of alignment?

Is that what happened?

[Fun and Games]

A50 flipped form Gamma to Darby.

One viable wagon to another viable wagon.

That shouldn't raise a question for you unless you heavily prefer eliminating Gamma over eliminating Darby on D1 and if you actually do have such a preference you should be stating clearly WHY you want to flip Gamma over Darby.

[Fun and Games]

So Pooky, if I'm understanding correctly, you came into today wanting to go both barrels on me, but skitter wasn't sure, and so you agreed to not post as much then because your reads were out of alignment?

Is that what happened?

I tend to be more tunnelly and rarely change my mind unless something dramatic happens that resets my world view.

She has a more holistic approach where she likes to poke and things and figure things out.

I'm not going to shout over her because she's better at catching scum than I am and she's very nice.

[Bingle]

This was day 2... and I already explained it wasn't explicitly a you/SA solve, it was a poe with both of you in it. Are you bothering to read my posts?

Oh, I didn't mean that to be a point against you, I was just idly pointing out that I thought it was a silly partner guess even without SA's push today. Your explanation of it being a nonassociative PoE pool explained it to my satisfaction.

Not that I think you're town for having a PoE pool that's at least 3/4 town, but I can see reasons to suspect both gamma and SA, obviously.

Walk me through your townreads when you get a chance?

[VP Baltar]

One viable wagon to another viable wagon.

That shouldn't raise a question for you unless you heavily prefer eliminating Gamma over eliminating Darby on D1 and if you actually do have such a preference you should be stating clearly WHY you want to flip Gamma over Darby.

You're missing the point of what I'm saying. It's not that Darby wasn't viable. It's that A50 had really ONLY wanted Gamma up to that point, and then when it looked like he could get it, he bailed.

It made me suspicious of a possible A50-Gamma team.

[Fun and Games]

that literally makes no sense

[Fun and Games]

Pretty sure if you bus your teammate and you have a very good bus seat you don't give up your bus seat randomly when your teammate looks like he's going down just to swing the wagon to someone else that's town.

The associatives are absolutely dreadful and you put your teammate in danger for like literally no reason.

[Bingle]

How am I OMGUSing when they weren't voting me?

? Gamma was OMGUS'ing skitter. I'm saying that what you described (thinking skitter was off based on tone) was specific to two players and neither is GE. One flipped town. One is me.

[VP Baltar]

So Pooky, if I'm understanding correctly, you came into today wanting to go both barrels on me, but skitter wasn't sure, and so you agreed to not post as much then because your reads were out of alignment?

Is that what happened?

I tend to be more tunnelly and rarely change my mind unless something dramatic happens that resets my world view.

She has a more holistic approach where she likes to poke and things and figure things out.

I'm not going to shout over her because she's better at catching scum than I am and she's very nice.

Sure, I can see the differences in your playstyles.

I'm really only trying to understand when and why the decision was made to defer to skitter for today when you had been posting earlier in the game no problem. Skitter says you're bored, which I'm not sure if that's actually it.

If it's that you thought you'd tunnel me and maybe that's not the best approach...I actually understand that reasoning possibly coming from town. I am just having a hard time getting a straight answer here and that makes me suspicious.


p.edit -- Sure, but Gamma wasn't guaranteed to go down there. Not bussing D1 if you don't have to is still the optimal play, right?

[Fun and Games]

I don't believe any rational person could think that A50 was scum bussing Gamma and decided to get off the bus when Gamma is SELF-VOTING at E-1.

[Fun and Games]

I'm really only trying to understand when and why the decision was made to defer to skitter for today when you had been posting earlier in the game no problem. Skitter says you're bored, which I'm not sure if that's actually it.

It is boring to me to not attack the people I scumread but I'd still do it for her because she is awesome :3

[VP Baltar]

How am I OMGUSing when they weren't voting me?

? Gamma was OMGUS'ing skitter. I'm saying that what you described (thinking skitter was off based on tone) was specific to two players and neither is GE. One flipped town. One is me.

Yes, and I stated I misspoke. It was very clear from the context of the conversation I was talking about GE and Cakez. Your name was never even brought up.

[Bingle]

I thought you didn't believe in TMI

I think people who go looking for TMI are likely to see geese in every bush, but I do think that TMI happens. Possibly because I've seen it happen.

Gamma's scum accusations against F&G came later in the day.

And also were quite clearly rageOMGUS, not "Skitter's play is off."

VOTE: VP

Maybe I'm being greedy, but I think VP TMI'd me as town here.

Fwiw i dont think he did

~ skitter

UNVOTE:

skitter, why won't you let me have nice things.

[Fun and Games]

It feels like you don't really have much to attack me with so you're reaching for some nonsense about me not posting being scum!indicative

which is kind of hilarious because I'm probably one of the more flamboyant scum players on the site and I like posting as scum :3

[Fun and Games]

I think people who go looking for TMI are likely to see geese in every bush, but I do think that TMI happens. Possibly because I've seen it happen.

I still think that Flea slip was TMI :#

[Bingle]

Is this the unwnd game TMI case on flea? Or am I forgetting one?

Cause the unwnd game it was pretty blatantly not.

[VP Baltar]

It feels like you don't really have much to attack me with so you're reaching for some nonsense about me not posting being scum!indicative

which is kind of hilarious because I'm probably one of the more flamboyant scum players on the site and I like posting as scum :3

tbf, I've been trying to get an answer about the posting change before I voted you.

But skitter being reasonable and offering a defense to Bingle also makes zero sense as scum just now.

I HATE THIS GAME

[Fun and Games]

how sure are you on dunn being scum?

70%?

I'm interested in hearing from you if you think his play differs here from when he was scum with you on D1. Just feel like I've tried to give him opportunities to engage with me in a real way, and he's trying to end those as fast as possible to return to lurking. It's major bad vibes for me.

I feel better about yeeting there than most anywhere else. Sleepless has given me some bad vibes as well. I maybe feel like giving Gamma a pass for today because I can't say I have a great track record reading him.

I guess if my vote is needed on the Ico wagon to finish it, I'm not opposed, but it feels slightly too popular for ambiguous reasons to me.

like look at this weird soft defense of ico while pushing for dunn elim on d1

like wtf is this lol

[Fun and Games]

VPBaltar's entire D1 ISo might as well say "i want to kill any1 except Ico cuz I love dragons"

[Fun and Games]

Iconeum pinged me for not directly answering Datisi asking his alignment. Then there was the overly self conscious "in before scumslip" post after the weird but admittedly relatable string of posts about not remembering how to play. The "did we roll t/t" post pinged again. Just feels like unnecessarily saying "I'm town".

Just to be clear, this is Sleepless' full case on Iconeum.

I went back through Sleepless' iso to see if he pushed on Ico, as he claimed, and the extent of it is asking a couple people what their read on Ico is, and then appealing -- to no one in particular -- something to the effect of "can we just yeet Ico now."

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

There's malarkey here. He may even be partners with a hypothetical Ico-scum. I don't buy his vote/unvote on Gamma when that was getting steam, and I can't tell you a single place he is seriously pushing outside of that.

If I can't get Dunn today, I think this is a good bet.

This is also hilarious

[Something_Smart]

VC 3.1

VP Baltar (2)- Andante, Fun and Games
Enchant (1)- Toogeloo
Fun and Games (1)- VP Baltar

Not voting (4)- Dwlee99, Sleepless Assassin, Enchant, Bingle

With 8 alive it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-14 17:00:00)

Mod notes: just remembered I was supposed to clean the kitchen today rip