Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[VP Baltar]

Bingle, what's your thought on that?

I can see a few explanations:

There's scum in the town leaders.
Scum wants us to think there's scum in the town leaders.
Scum thought A50 lurking was a PR tell.
Scum thought that A50 was impossible to eliminate based on my read.
A50 dropped a PR tell I didn't notice and scum did.
Scum thinks they're fucked and was trying to shake up the game with an off the wall kill.

Those are roughly in order of how likely I think they are.

It's why I'm interested in Andante's push on hockey, actually.

Coming back to this post. You don't think scum saw A50 as a direct threat is a viable option?

Also, when you're saying A50 was impossible to elim off your read, you're talking about the townslip thing?

[Fun and Games]

And FWIW, there are exactly 28 instances of "ico" on SA's ISO.

Yes, but I implore everyone to go read his ISO and see how many of those are of substance or pointing out things with scum motivation.

[Fun and Games]

mmmm? what case?

General case is that SA put a vote down on Ico initially with somewhat flimsy reasoning, then never really moved it for a full 50 pages.

He wasn't pressing Ico with questions, or actively trying to persuade others to see what he was seeing in Ico. He would merely make an occasional request to other players for their opinions on Ico, in an open ended way, with little follow up.

The one time he did depart from this Ico vote was to vote Gamma as that wagon gained a little steam, but then 12 hours later, SA unvotes Gamma and says he didn't really find him scummy. It was back to Ico at that point.

When I pressed SA about this and asked him to quickly tell me his reasons for voting Ico, he repeatedly told me to "read his iso", which I argue is a sign that SA knows his reasoning was flimsy and he never really believed in his vote or thought it through. If you're voting someone that long, you should be able to rattle off your reasons quickly.

Now, contrast this vote camping from SA with his most recent town games (which admittedly are a couple years old). SA in those games votes 4+ people in D1 scenarios.

Am I being unreasonable here? I think not. I believe SA is scum, and potentially may be buddies with Ico!scum.

bzzzzzzzzzzzz

[VP Baltar]

Skitter does something townie, and then pooky acts scummy by spam posting after I call him out for hiding.

I reiterate, I HATE THIS GAME.

[Fun and Games]

I like how you can't address the substance of what I'm posting and can only hand-wave it as "spamming"

[Fun and Games]

I mean what do u think he's gonna do as either alignment, ignore you?

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

I like how you can't address the substance of what I'm posting and can only hand-wave it as "spamming"

you're just posting random stuff from D1 because I wasn't on the Ico wagon. What would you like me to say? bzzzz isn't something I can respond to. I'm happy to answer actual questions.

[Fun and Games]

bzzz is the sound of your chainsaw dude

[Fun and Games]

I already gave you a chance to address why you pushed back on A50 vote flipping from Gamma -> Ico at EOD

Your explanation was pretty awful.

[VP Baltar]

Who is scum F&G?

skitter is going to do this part

Why?

@skitter - Pooky has been ignoring me up until this point, so...

I had been asking since early in the day why he said this and until I voted, he was clearly not posting in the thread. Doesn't necessarily have to be scummy, but I don't think I was being unreasonable asking for an explanation. Now Pooky is back in the thread full bore when I got a little more aggressive about it. I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill here though either. I'm really just trying to get some transparency about thought process.

[VP Baltar]

I already gave you a chance to address why you pushed back on A50 vote flipping from Gamma -> Ico at EOD

Your explanation was pretty awful.

ok. I mean, Datisi had similar feelings at the time right after me. I could only operate on what I saw in the thread.

[Fun and Games]

bingle is town

therefore a50 is also town

fuck i'm good at this game

this is the last thing datisi says about a50 in his iso

where do you get the similar feelings thing?

also that's not even an excuse

[VP Baltar]

cuz we're 1 day from mylo and she's better than me at it

I'd like to hear your thoughts. You were a primary pusher on Gamma from D1. I want to know what the reevaluation is.

Pooky never answers this. He just dips from the thread entirely and skitter takes over.

Again, not necessarily scummy, but I'm also not being unreasonable trying to understand where Pooky's head is at, especially when they're saying they each have their own reads.

[Fun and Games]

I dont have anything to add r.e. any thought process, we didnt discuss it and it wasnt a conscious decision on my part

He said that, i started posting shortly thereafter, and he didnt post again until now. If u want more of an explanation itll have to come from him, i dont have one

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

cuz we're 1 day from mylo and she's better than me at it

I'd like to hear your thoughts. You were a primary pusher on Gamma from D1. I want to know what the reevaluation is.

Pooky never answers this. He just dips from the thread entirely and skitter takes over.

Again, not necessarily scummy, but I'm also not being unreasonable trying to understand where Pooky's head is at, especially when they're saying they each have their own reads.

I already answered this.

I wanted to kill you, she didn't feel the same way, so I decided to let her do her thing while I mostly read along and twiddled my thumbs.

[VP Baltar]

I dont have anything to add r.e. any thought process, we didnt discuss it and it wasnt a conscious decision on my part

He said that, i started posting shortly thereafter, and he didnt post again until now. If u want more of an explanation itll have to come from him, i dont have one

~ skitter

right, this is what's frustrating. I just wanted an answer to a pretty simple question and now I'm over here possibly overthinking something that should have been quite simple.

[VP Baltar]

bingle is town

therefore a50 is also town

fuck i'm good at this game

this is the last thing datisi says about a50 in his iso

where do you get the similar feelings thing?

also that's not even an excuse

Literally the next post from Datisi after the post of mine you're questioning is him saying he's unsure about A50.

Okay, yeah A50 is lock town.

please say sike

[Fun and Games]

So Pooky, if I'm understanding correctly, you came into today wanting to go both barrels on me, but skitter wasn't sure, and so you agreed to not post as much then because your reads were out of alignment?

Is that what happened?

I tend to be more tunnelly and rarely change my mind unless something dramatic happens that resets my world view.

She has a more holistic approach where she likes to poke and things and figure things out.

I'm not going to shout over her because she's better at catching scum than I am and she's very nice.

we literally just had this conversation like 10 minutes ago what r u even acting confused about

[Fun and Games]

bingle is town

therefore a50 is also town

fuck i'm good at this game

this is the last thing datisi says about a50 in his iso

where do you get the similar feelings thing?

also that's not even an excuse

Literally the next post from Datisi after the post of mine you're questioning is him saying he's unsure about A50.

Okay, yeah A50 is lock town.

please say sike

that's not datisi expressing suspicion of a50

thats datisi laughing at bingle townreading a50 for dumbtelling

[Fun and Games]

your post is scummy because you are pushing back on A50 for vote flipping Gamma - > Darby.


Datisi does not push back on A50

in fact no one pushes back on A50 vote-flipping from Gamma -> Darby except for you

[VP Baltar]

cuz we're 1 day from mylo and she's better than me at it

I'd like to hear your thoughts. You were a primary pusher on Gamma from D1. I want to know what the reevaluation is.

Pooky never answers this. He just dips from the thread entirely and skitter takes over.

Again, not necessarily scummy, but I'm also not being unreasonable trying to understand where Pooky's head is at, especially when they're saying they each have their own reads.

I already answered this.

I wanted to kill you, she didn't feel the same way, so I decided to let her do her thing while I mostly read along and twiddled my thumbs.

Where did your reads stand pre-Gamma flip and post-Gamma flip? How did you re-evaluate based upon that information.

[VP Baltar]

bingle is town

therefore a50 is also town

fuck i'm good at this game

this is the last thing datisi says about a50 in his iso

where do you get the similar feelings thing?

also that's not even an excuse

Literally the next post from Datisi after the post of mine you're questioning is him saying he's unsure about A50.

Okay, yeah A50 is lock town.

please say sike

that's not datisi expressing suspicion of a50

thats datisi laughing at bingle townreading a50 for dumbtelling

I read that post as datisi saying he didn't think A50 was locktown at that moment.

[Fun and Games]

Gamma flipping town meant that EOD1 wagons were T/S and not S/S - I remembered Gamma was very close to dying near end of D1 so I'm looking for who was trying to kill him then to save Darby.


this is the penultimate VC:



Dwlee votes Gamma ~25 minutes later making it 6-3.

A50 is the one who changes momentum by flipping his vote from Gamma -> Darby making it 5-4. 1861

This is probably the single most important part of D1.

You push back on A50 with 1867 berating him for vote-flipping but not providing any reasons.

Reading all the posts in the pages since A50's vote-flip, your post is the only pushback he gets for vote flipping.

Which makes sense in the context of scum!you seeing your mis-elim starting to walk out the door.

[Fun and Games]

I read that post as datisi saying he didn't think A50 was locktown at that moment.

thinking someone isn't locktown isn't the same thing as shading someone

[Bingle]

Coming back to this post. You don't think scum saw A50 as a direct threat is a viable option?

Also, when you're saying A50 was impossible to elim off your read, you're talking about the townslip thing?

No, not really. A50 was being lurktastic and didn't present a clear threat to anybody. I guess maybe the fact he saw me as town could be a threat if someone wanted to eliminate me, but that's more to do with trying to frame consensus townreads than A50 specifically townreading me.

And also no. A50 was generally towny off of play. A50 was locktown off of me being a goddamn monkey whisperer. When I said "A50 is locktown" that was a free pass to A50 until XLO at least, and I think enough people are familiar with our dynamic in this lobby to ensure that. Look at Dat's response to me locktowning him if you want proof.