Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Andante]

but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.

feels like you know VP is flipping scum lol

If I was scum with VP why would I be trying to give you a townlock on his flip? Except to make this argument*

cause you know how VP has been recently, and you're trying to win my tr? idk, I think F&G SRs you with VP, I SR Toog more right now, I'll need to talk with skitter/pooky to figure out between yall, like Toog feels like frozen scum unsure of what to say right now, yet comes in with this garbage "read" that involves me in a poe. I'm not poe material, at least not right now. I know when it's fair to put me there, and it's not fair to have me in a poe right now.

[VP Baltar]

Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm

Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

[Andante]

Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm

Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

If Dwlee was convinced F&G was 100% convinced it was a bus, they'd be voting you right now

[Dwlee99]

Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm

Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

Cause Pooky could be scum without you being scum?

[Dwlee99]

If I believed anything 100% this game would be a lot easier

[Andante]

well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol

[VP Baltar]

Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm

Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

If Dwlee was convinced F&G was 100% convinced it was a bus, they'd be voting you right now

Thought you weren't talking to me?

[Andante]

I swear... all angering me is gonna do is just make me not talk lmao

[Dwlee99]

well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol

This is why I don't do 100%

[VP Baltar]

I'm making a point that you can take pot shots at me apparently, but not respond to legitimate questions. I'm not the one acting in bad faith here.

[Andante]

well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol

This is why I don't do 100%

lol I probably shouldn't but once I see connections, I really don't unsee them, especially if it makes sense to others when I explain... like if people confirm my "theories" leggooooo I still don't even understand how gamma was green, I SRed Darby for interactions with Gamma, they read as partners to me... I still don't understand lmao

[Andante]

I'm making a point that you can take pot shots at me apparently, but not respond to legitimate questions. I'm not the one acting in bad faith here.

I'll respond to legitimate stuff, you asked me like 2-3 times why I TRed you day 1, and if I TRed you d1, I said why at the time, and your recent play doesn't even want to make me reconsider my read on you. yeah I know I TRed you at a point, haven't looked back for why. you didn't wanna question skitter/pooky? when 1 TRed you?

[Andante]

ughhh I probably need to relook at everyone, but I really don't want to, like, I know VP has a clashing playstyle with me, so I need to like actually read his posts and see what I think, cause my initial SR off interactions, ehhh the gamma sr went so well... in like 12 hours I'll deal with my VP read, I also need to figure out if I actually tr SA like, I tried interacting, then SA "had to go" like, it's real easy for scum to post walls of text. if someone isn't interacting with anyone, that in itself is kinda a red flag.

UNVOTE: VP

no one get any cray ideas... and no I don't TR VP right now, but in the off chance people get the cray idea to vote

[VP Baltar]

I'll respond to legitimate stuff, you asked me like 2-3 times why I TRed you day 1, and if I TRed you d1, I said why at the time, and your recent play doesn't even want to make me reconsider my read on you. yeah I know I TRed you at a point, haven't looked back for why. you didn't wanna question skitter/pooky? when 1 TRed you?

No, I asked you to explain how you went from scum reading to town reading me at that point in the game. It was unexplained and seemed opportunistic to me, so I wanted you to explain your thought process. You've been dodging me since, seemingly on purpose.

As far as your last two questions there, I'm not following what you're asking me. Can you explain what you're asking me so I can answer? Are you asking me why I didn't questions F&G when they had split reads on me? I did. I expressed frustration at that very point.

[Andante]

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia
Toogeloo Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin
Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear)
Bingle
VP Baltar
Enchant

2 scum in 7 people. looking like good odds, F&G/Bingle are 2 people I'm TRing, leaves a 2/5

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia
Toogeloo Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin
VP Baltar
Enchant


And I genuinely don't tr any of the above.. the fact at least 3 people in this are town? I might be inclined to tr vp, I need to see something first, Enchant... after it was said "I doubt enchant hammers like that as scum" they've been coasting a LOT, completely ignored the 10 page thing, voted dwlee without a reason... suspicious.. and yeah, that's all my thoughts for now, I have a pool of 5 I need to read, that's a later thing though

[Andante]

seemed opportunistic to me

how the heck is me going "vp might be town" opportunistic? you weren't even a consideration for the wagon yesterday. Gamma was getting yeeted regardless of what you did

[Andante]

You've been dodging me since, seemingly on purpose.

lmao I mean, did you notice I just wasn't talking in the thread at all? F&G and I had a real gamesolving moment yesterday, so when I had a few minutes to talk, of course I chose to talk to them, your questions for me do absolutely nothing in respect to solving the game, thus not a priority for me to answer. I'm not gonna sit here going "yeah my read on you is this" for everyone. I know where I'm looking, and I know where I'm not.

Like, I come into today like "F&G is probably scum" and it just so happens that after I say that you start pushing them, vote them? like it was half me being nervous my tr was so strong on them, and half "lets see who jumps on this" but I didn't really get the chance to follow up reactions on that

[VP Baltar]

Like, I come into today like "F&G is probably scum" and it just so happens that after I say that you start pushing them, vote them? like it was half me being nervous my tr was so strong on them, and half "lets see who jumps on this" but I didn't really get the chance to follow up reactions on that

Wait, are you suggesting I went after F&g because of an offhand remark you made?

[Andante]

yes. yes I am

[VP Baltar]

seemed opportunistic to me

how the heck is me going "vp might be town" opportunistic? you weren't even a consideration for the wagon yesterday. Gamma was getting yeeted regardless of what you did

Opportunistic in the sense of trying to sway me to your side at that point with a town read.

Can you, pretty please I'm genuinely asking here, explain what I did or said at that time that made you flip your read on me?

[Andante]

why would I care if you TRed me then? I was just trying to find scum with F&G? I'd have to reread to see what it was, I think I might tr you right now for a different reason though, there's still time, and I'll reread later, I guarantee wherever I said I TRed you there was a reason with it, I don't remember it right now though

[VP Baltar]

yes. yes I am

I think you are vastly overstating your relevance so far in this game.

The Gamma flip made me want to question NY own view on the game because he did make a lot of sense as a Darby partner, I agree. In my experience, the best approach when you have bad reads in the game is to scrap it all and start reconsidering everyone independently. You can see from the very start of the day today, I am asking questions to both FG and Bingle. In my head at that point, I'm worried about deep wolves and focusing my energy on stress testing those reads.

I'm actually quite glad pooky and I went at it because it gave me a better feeling about him in some respects. At least there is something I can work with there to make an evaluation. On the whole, he probably made me slightly less suspicious because I can see the thinking around the A50 thing, even if I disagree with it.

I assure you, your comment did not even land on my radar

[Andante]

ughhh I like mindlessly tunneling instead of critical thinking, I'm doing enough math in my classes right now.. this is like 4d chess "so this person flips green, what's your move" ""uhhhh flip a red??"

[Andante]

I think you are vastly overstating your relevance so far in this game.

ouch. my ego is sad

[VP Baltar]

I think you are vastly overstating your relevance so far in this game.

ouch. my ego is sad

We all do it, don't worry. I'm guilty too.