Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.04

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-12-07 07:00:00).

elimination

Greeting [2]:

MegAzumarill, ProHawk

MegAzumarill [1]:

Greeting

ProHawk [1]:

marcistar

StrangeMatter [1]:

Meuh

not voting [2]:

StrangeMatter, Cape90

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[Greeting]

Two scum?

At least one. It's is likely that both.

[Meuh]

Greeting’s behaviour in the first few posts of this day just seem like scum trying to appeal to a trusted townie in order to reinforce their own place in the game

Don’t like it

???

Who are you even talking about as a trusted townie? And, what do you mean by trying to appeal to a trusted townie?

Sorry for not being clear, to me it just seemed like the way Greeting approached the start of the day was deliberately to appeal to me (who is one of the more townread players), and by appealing to me, getting his name out of the elim pool for today, or at the very least my vote off of him.
Don’t know if it fully makes sense but I’m paranoid of getting pocketed and I think that might be what Greeting’s been attempting as of late? On a reread Greeting’s early day 2 isn’t that bad in terms of pocketing potential but idk, it felt like all of our thoughts magically lined up and I don’t like that

[ProHawk]

Two scum?

At least one. It's is likely that both.

Tell me why MegAz is scum again

[Cape90]

okay Meg is town (upon evaluation today)
mueh town

gut tells me
Greeting town

leaving
prohawk
strange
marci

prohawk and marci aren't scumpaired

VOTE: StrangeMatter

leaving this by POE.

Now I will logdive and see if I stand incorrect, I don't think anybody really brought up too much in terms of meta of StrangeMatter

[marcistar]

just elim me tbh, alot more people are wary of me than they are of greeting.
theres no way i would have a chance of doing well in the ~final stretch of the game~ if prohawk is left alive, along with the rest of u guyses lingering doubts.

If you're town, you honestly think me making it to endgame is better than you?

I'm pretty sure every person here has me in the lower tier category.

bestie ur still my fave xoxo its just ithink greeting shouldn't be the elim here. hes more helpful than me, so i would ratter i go if people were deciding on him :3

[ProHawk]

just elim me tbh, alot more people are wary of me than they are of greeting.
theres no way i would have a chance of doing well in the ~final stretch of the game~ if prohawk is left alive, along with the rest of u guyses lingering doubts.

If you're town, you honestly think me making it to endgame is better than you?

I'm pretty sure every person here has me in the lower tier category.

bestie ur still my fave xoxo its just ithink greeting shouldn't be the elim here. hes more helpful than me, so i would ratter i go if people were deciding on him :3

I don't think I've ever gotten the bestie title with shifty eyes before <3

I'm still baffled that you would rather elim yourself whom you know is town rather than eliminate an unknown despite how you read them (if you're town then Greeting IS an unknown to you)... Even the most solid town read still has a chance of flipping red.

[Greeting]

Greeting’s behaviour in the first few posts of this day just seem like scum trying to appeal to a trusted townie in order to reinforce their own place in the game

Don’t like it

???

Who are you even talking about as a trusted townie? And, what do you mean by trying to appeal to a trusted townie?

Sorry for not being clear, to me it just seemed like the way Greeting approached the start of the day was deliberately to appeal to me (who is one of the more townread players), and by appealing to me, getting his name out of the elim pool for today, or at the very least my vote off of him.
Don’t know if it fully makes sense but I’m paranoid of getting pocketed and I think that might be what Greeting’s been attempting as of late? On a reread Greeting’s early day 2 isn’t that bad in terms of pocketing potential but idk, it felt like all of our thoughts magically lined up and I don’t like that

You're a player whom I'm town reading and choosing to trust. I have certain thoughts about the game. I usually post them sooner or later. Sometimes I need to formulate them better, and that's why I asked for a PT, a place where I do it. I withhold about 10% of them - because I want to test other players so that I can draw conclusions out of the result. Even then, when I'm done with that 10%, I inform everyone of what I'm doing.

I'm town and I'm not a Town Mason. Which means that I have no automatic allies in this game. Any alliance that occurs and involves me will have to be built - and this is what I'm doing by working with you. I can't eliminate anyone myself alone from scratch. I can only try to convince other players to vote with me on someone, even then I often have to compromise which I do and I've done before both in this game and in every other mafia game I've played on this site.

That is how it looks like from my perspective, at least.

[Greeting]

Two scum?

At least one. It's is likely that both.

Tell me why MegAz is scum again

Very well, in shorter words. All of it can already be found in my earlier posts.

They've come to this game, done a good job doing nr 2:

I agree it's probably objectively bad for town but as a player I typically do 1 of 2 things.

1 Form reads slowly but have confidence in them
2 Jump on someone that I think is scummy early and death tunnel them forever (ask Greeting)

That made me townread them. I left them out and started hunting for others, most notably

marcistar

.

But then they vanished, started being far less investigative and less interested in the game. This didn't feel right compared with their constant activity in N2081. When it came to end of D1, they visibly didn't protest against either yourself of

Meuh

being voted out. There are some classes of players in my mind, who behave in a certain way. Like, I would get if an actual newbie, who isn't that heavily invested into mafia would be unbothered. But it really irks me that

MegAzumarill

didn't care more than myself,

Prism

or even

Meuh

. Sure, I was on the

Cabd

wagon too, but I've exhaustively elaborated what led me to that place in the game back then. And this is pretty much what we get from Meg:

I'm pretty busy for the most part and skimmed through my catchup
VOTE: Cabd

Prohawk is a town read so I prefer a null read over them obviously

And a lot of inactivity.

That was when my eyebrows were beginning to rise, and when it came to D2, I was ready to question (maybe not vote them out yet) them about the few earlier days.

His recent activity explained it all. It must have been decided in the scumthread that

Prism

is being killed off in order to frame it on me. This came out of none other than himself - and even the rest of players doesn't seem to see it. Hell, even I didn't really see the correlation between myself and getting

Prism

killed, yet this logic is clearly being forced onto other townies. And here's how:

You were irreparable scum in their eyes and you knew it.
You would have to kill them at some point this game or you would lose. And each day their vote only grows stronger

And why I think it's likely that you're the partner (and, coincidentally is a strong townlean for

marcistar

)?

why does it imply greeting but not imply prohawk

I mean it does but more strongly for Greeting

It gets into Wifom for prohawk but with Greeting its more straightforward

Marcistar

showed very much townie energy with that post and explained the flawed logic. The reads which are being used against me are being used very selectively. This isn't

MegAzumarill

tunnelling

Greeting

to no end energy. This is scum

MegAzumarill

framing

Greeting

energy.

[MegAzumarill]

not voting [3]: StrangeMatter, Cape90, Meuh

I think it's time for you to make a decision, or give a reason why this day should continue.
I don't see any meaningful discussion at this point, cases have been made and it's time to make a call or inquire about what you are still unsure of.

For one thing, I need people to stop trying to stick a gun to my head to vote, and I'm at the point of saying screw off, I'm doing what I think is best. I still think there's meaningful conversation going on and if you think otherwise I don't know what to tell you. Such as #791 where it gives me almost nothing and is incredibly vague and I want more out of there.

If you think the conversation is meaningful how about you participate

[Greeting]

Here's who's still alive as of now:

StrangeMatter
Meuh
Cape90
Greeting
ProHawk
marcistar
MegAzumarill

Meuh

and

Cape90

are almost universally townread.

Which leaves:

StrangeMatter
Greeting
ProHawk
marcistar
MegAzumarill

I'm relatively outspoken plus there is this whole PT speculation, which explains the mafia's direction D2.

Marcistar

is ambiguous, seemed to be townread when I was pushing that slot and now apparently people are open to seeing them as my supposed scum partner. If I am correct about the earlier mentioned trio,

marcistar

is probably the reserve wagon in case the scums cannot pull mine off.

It worries me that it's hard to see the correlations amongst

MegAzumarill

,

ProHawk

,

StrangeMatter

. I mean,

ProHawk

recently has made some points, in 796, which, although I disagree that two days before EOD is time to exert pressure, are in general fair enough.

MegAzumarill

has said something about pairing me with them as scum, in 740, but it doesn't feel like real pressure to me.

StrangeMatter

's attitude towards voting this game has been difficult to say the least.

Maybe it's

MegAzumarill

/

StrangeMatter

? It seems to fit as well. But I still think it's

MegAzumarill

/

ProHawk

.

My vote is staying where it is now, but consider this to be my willingness to hammer either one of

ProHawk

or

StrangeMatter

if it comes to either getting at E-1.

[marcistar]

I'm still baffled that you would rather elim yourself whom you know is town rather than eliminate an unknown despite how you read them (if you're town then Greeting IS an unknown to you)... Even the most solid town read still has a chance of flipping red.

yah i know im town, but everyone else doesnt know im town for sure so i feel like ill have a hard time in the next day, compared to greeting who i think will be able to make a good enough case on himself if hes town. i know im easy to scumread, and i know despite how much i could argue my case of me being town, i'll prob not get listened to.
i would rather my scumreads get elimmed here ofc, but if its not possible i think doing something better for the game state is a good move.

im trying to think if strangematter seems similar to this game, but i really dont know.. theres a bit of different circumstances.

VOTE: megazurmarill
im going back to this, im finer with this than prohawk rn.
<<megazurmarill, strangematter>> are my prefered elims here, i wont be moving anywhere else

originally yesterday i thought that strangematter choosing cabd > prohawk could've been a link, but its prob just getting out somebody whos likely to hella wreck the game. its prob just strangematter x megazurmarill.

[StrangeMatter]

Honestly, I'm repeating myself but I think atm trying to meta me is really not a good way to figure out my alignment at this point with relearning how to play Mafia and starting with what I think works. Plus I know I have officially two real scum games.

Actually, that paranoia of being pocketed was something that happened in my past game with Newbie 2082. While it wasn't very accurate (I read Greeting kind of pocketing Implosion having extremely similar thoughts, Catboi appealing hard to me thinking I was jailkeeper, and FrogsFrogs consistently agreeing with me into eliminating Greeting), I think Mueh is town atm.

[StrangeMatter]

Marci's shade onto me for saying I didn't give him enough time is also just really not great. But then there's #792 which I don't get at all why you'd want that, but as I've learned it almost always comes from newbie town, especially when two people in the same game also pushed something similar, though I still have a massive fear of scum abusing such a common thought process.

[StrangeMatter]

That leaves two out of the following not including myself

Cape09
Greeting
MegAzu
ProHawk

[MegAzumarill]

Why is marcistar excluded from your list?

Didn't you say you think their thought process can come from scum?

[marcistar]

cuz im so cute its natural to wanna townread me

[MegAzumarill]

*Sirens blare

Cute police, hands in the air!

[marcistar]

: oooo MEGS GOT A GUN T_T

[Greeting]

[MegAzumarill]

Did you take my gun?

[Greeting]

Did you take my gun?

I'm European, what is a gun?

[Meuh]

VOTE: Prohawk

Strangematter is versatile in scum pairings but I think ProHawk’s scummier
We should make Prism proud and lim him

[Meuh]

Meg please don’t shoot me

[Meuh]

Also once again I’m willing to hammer literally anyone, nolim is by far the worst outcome for this day