Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Fun and Games]

I hate all the yelling!!! lets just all be friends.... plz

^

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

- i'm not arguing that you were trying to misflip a50, where are you getting that from?

I'm saying that if the questioning a50 about his ditch od the gamma wagon is nearly as crucial of an element to scum!VP's D1 game, then it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to want to kill him N2 right after a Gamma flip, since that'd be putting these cards directly on the table.

i don't think these 2 thinsg are related to each other at all, the fact that you pushed a50 doesn't preclude yuou from killing him ...?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

its literally the same way you treated ico

you put him null. you shade him as scummy

you find excuses to not vote him

you push people that r not him to die

you end up voting lhf together

[VP Baltar]

Just like the ammount of effort VP is actually putting into this, makes me feel like VP could be town as well

Look, my greatest fear here is like an enchant-SA or Bingle team here and they are laughing their butts off at today.

[VP Baltar]

ig vp what pooky is thinking (and what i think too) is that you don't have any reasons to townread dwlee, but you're at the same time reluctant to vote there, and it looks partner-y to me

~ skitter

Can you just tell me why I should vote him?

From my perspective, I'm just being badgered to vote a slot for ~handwaving~ by a slot I'm not certain is town. How then hell are you making associatives on a slot that hasn't flipped?

I'm not being unreasonable just asking for your thought process on dwlee.

[VP Baltar]

- i'm not arguing that you were trying to misflip a50, where are you getting that from?

I'm saying that if the questioning a50 about his ditch od the gamma wagon is nearly as crucial of an element to scum!VP's D1 game, then it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to want to kill him N2 right after a Gamma flip, since that'd be putting these cards directly on the table.

i don't think these 2 thinsg are related to each other at all, the fact that you pushed a50 doesn't preclude yuou from killing him ...?

~ skitter

As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.

[Andante]

ughhh I'm staring at a Dwlee ISO and my brain hurts. Look, here's what I don't want to happen. a F&G/VP/Dwlee town world. which I'm starting to fear we're in. we need to at least think about other options for a second, and stop fighting each other,

I completely understand wanting to yell at VP for everything he says, it's insanely annoying, also why I'm kinda down to just lim VP and deal with whatever's left tomorrow... I have a feeling we'll take the full 9 days here for D3

Enchant/SA/Toog has at least 1 town... I need more from all 3 of those slots, if we're being honest

[VP Baltar]

What'd the vote count even at?

[VP Baltar]

Andante, what is your read of bingle again?

[Andante]

FWIW, DArby's absence today isn't doing him any favors. I'm probably willing to compromise on that yeet if we need to in the next day or two.

I probably should go on V/LA soon. I’m moving cities next month + finishing this semester.

I'm not sure VP is Darby's partner, I'm reading through the ISO,

@People convinced F&G is scum, look as Darby's ISO, I think that's pretty clear that F&G isn't with Darby

[Bingle]

SA is afk until Monday, but I could stand to hear from toog and enchant.

[Andante]

Andante, what is your read of bingle again?

who even knows what my current read is

[Andante]

I wish I read more of Darby's ISO than just the first posts, way too many interactions with Gamma to be partners. whatever... Gamma selfed D1, Gamma was asking for it D2

[Andante]

Darby isn't with SA, SA is gonna be town

[VP Baltar]

I could stand to hear from toog

I'm just assuming replacement at this point......

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP

Can you just tell me why I should vote them?

[Bingle]

What'd the vote count even at?

I don’t think anyone has been voting for a while.

[VP Baltar]

What'd the vote count even at?

I don’t think anyone has been voting for a while.

Think a few things moved. Mostly interested where it is om dwlee

[Andante]

F&G, VP, Datsi are all town from the last few posts I've seen.

Bingle and Gamma are null, where posts feels less solve focus and more expaniding on things already said.

DArby is cunning enough to fake that as scum.

I think I've seen Darby in a game recently (although I don't remember which one) and thinking his play was good. I also don't remember what alignment he was. But gth I wouldn't put it past him. I'll update this after I'm caught up and can look to figure out which game that was.

To date I have no finished games as scum.

Found it. You were killed by my event (also read: the one everyone hated) in squid game. Weird, I go the impression you were more experienced from your D1 play there.

People make that assumption because of how I type. Common misconception.

^This Bingle stuff: I think this reads as scum partners talking to each other, I'd have to read bingle more, but like, this feels like scum trying to just be "towny" by talking at each other, with nothing really relevant to the game
> I also don't remember what alignment he was. But gth I wouldn't put it past him
Like, classic partner thing to say.... "I know they are playing the exact same as another game, where they were scum"



I think the below stuff points towards Dunn/Toog partner, like "I'll go with meta!" "I hate meta.." I feel like if Dunn was town, there'd have been more questioning the meta for 1521

I know Dunn is the other wagon of interest today, but other than the “boring ISO” post, what’s the reason behind it?

Then if it’s meta, I can’t argue for or against. For now I’ll trust it.

VOTE: Dunn

You probably mean the second.

I avoid meta reading as much as I can help it. I’d rather gauge the reaction of those who actually did it.

It’s really unfun for me to read games Im not apart of. :/

tldr: sus of bingle/toog(dunn)

[Fun and Games]

ig vp what pooky is thinking (and what i think too) is that you don't have any reasons to townread dwlee, but you're at the same time reluctant to vote there, and it looks partner-y to me

~ skitter

Can you just tell me why I should vote him?

From my perspective, I'm just being badgered to vote a slot for ~handwaving~ by a slot I'm not certain is town. How then hell are you making associatives on a slot that hasn't flipped?

I'm not being unreasonable just asking for your thought process on dwlee.

They're the only person i feel like i yave no reason to townread, and their scumread on us is laughably bad, and given that you're not townreading them either i'm not sure ehy you're reluctant

~ skitter

[Andante]

I'm maf.

I would put Innocent Child, Jailkeeper and Tracker. More optimal i think.

scumslip confirmed

vOte echant

I almost doubt first post of the game like this is to your partner, means Enchant likely town

[Fun and Games]

As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.

Can u explain this again, i'm not following?

~ skitter

[Andante]

I don't *think* Bingle/Icon team, so bingle town

[Andante]

Reading Icon's ISO I can say without a doubt F&G is town, so seriously, people trying to fight them, just go look at Icon/Darby's ISO, seriously

[Andante]

Bingle is town.

could you elaborate on this claim

Found his explanation of optimal town play related to the roles to be authentic in trying to simply explain what he saw as the best moves for town.

which is like the easiest thing for scum to use and gain town credit
that's an easy read you make there VP

I'm not so sure scum says this to their partner so early in the game