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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes, you could've said that to Mastina and I'm sure she would have been like "yes, that makes sense you're right Pooky"
and then she voted us and won the game for town and there was a fairy and a unicorn in there somewhere too.

I wouldn't say it's certain she would change her mind

I think there is a significant chance she would

That's why you decided to make the kill on her rather than Sir Cakes

You keep claiming there is no way Mastina would ever change her mind if you killed Sir Cakes

Yet you expect Sir Cakes to change his mind now that Mastina is dead.

This is a contradiction in your argument.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You remain incapable of a constructing a reasonable argument for why Mastina is dead and not Sircakez, who was cleared. There is a simple lack of clear in depth reasoning that a more focused town Pooky would have had available to make a less generic argument.

-Bell

Mastina had me at a 9% lean over you.

Cakes wanted to kill you over me. He did not present a percentage.

If SirCakes is killed over night, Mastina would have to take into consideration his desire to kill you and the fact that he was the nightkill.

Is that enough to move the needle 9%? I would certainly think so.

Killing Mastina is actually the safer choice for you, you get to use the nightkill choice to push SirCakes into read flipping

You eliminate the chance Mastina re-evaluates.

And predictably you are trying to claim that the nightkill choice is damning when it is not.

[Milobird]

Notty does not think he will change his mind.
I don't know, but I will keep trying.


I do also want to note that Pooky intentionally makes unsound arguments as scum because he thinks if he applied his brain to his arguments he would come off as too polished and prepared.
I have no idea what his posts look like to everyone else, but to me they are exactly that.

pedit: Let me know when contradictions are scummy. You know better that they're not. And it's not even a contradiction because Mastina and Sircakez are not the same person *psyduck*

[Milobird]

Your own characterization of Mastina as stubborn directly points to you being the one who killed her.
Sircakez provided no percentage, SO WHY WOULD I DO THAT.
and also, do you think Mastina is actually just going to roll a dice and decide on it based on whether she rolls 41 or above.
The % is rhetorical. You're intentionally literalizing her, when we both know she has no system in place that actually uses any numbers whatsoever in her scum hunting. She also was trying to defend her ego no mtter which way the cookie crumbled. Which is an excellent strategy that I endorse. Because I do it.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mastina has me at 9% lean over you for scum

Sir Cakes scumreads you and wants to kill you.

We go into night.

Sir Cakes gets shot in the face and dies.

Do you really think at that point Mastina is going to not re-evaluate and maybe change her mind and decide to vote for you?

[Milobird]

No it's pretty damning when a confirm town lives over a non-confirm town.
You can keep pretending that there is no difference between a cleared and non-cleared player.

But, lol. I'd say that argument is not going to work, but now I sound like Koba and he died.
Thankfully I never self-vote so I won't do what he did and just keep going until Sircakez gets it or he messes up. Either or.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

stop dodging the question and just answer

Mastina scumleans me over you

Cakes scumreads you over me

We go into Night

Cakes dies and flips

Does Mastina Change her mind yes or no?

[Milobird]

Mastina has me at 9% lean over you for scum

Sir Cakes scumreads you and wants to kill you.

We go into night.

Sir Cakes gets shot in the face and dies.

Do you really think at that point Mastina is going to not re-evaluate and maybe change her mind and decide to vote for you?

I fully expect that she would have done more due diligence and examined her own arguments and thoughts while discussing her reads and asking people about stuff as she narrowed in to what her choice would ultimately be.
I also know that she would have steam rolled past your objections as she had already done repeatedly to your objections last day phase. Once Mastina latches unto something she is difficult to fool just using arguments, something I learned from flavorleaf versus Pooky. Because once she caught me she simply didn't let go without me giving her something I couldn't give (i.e., real solving perspective) and no amount of AtE or gotcha's would dissuade her.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is there an answer in that paragraph cuz i asked you a yes or no question

[Milobird]

You're in the same position I was, where you just can't fake solve.
Which is why you murdered her.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its a 1v1 wtf am i even going to solve for

[Milobird]

is there an answer in that paragraph cuz i asked you a yes or no question

I am an ocean and you are a puddle.
She would have re-evaluated and then voted you because you wouldn't have been able to change her mind.

-Bell

[Milobird]

its a 1v1 wtf am i even going to solve for

Uh our play? So that you can show Sircakez that we're scum?

lol.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ooh i see

so a nightkill on SirCakes is not damning evidence to Mastina that Bell is scum

but a nightkill on Mastina is damning evidence to Cakes that Pooky is scum.

FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its a 1v1 wtf am i even going to solve for

Uh our play? So that you can show Sircakez that we're scum?

lol.

He read your iso himself and he said you look like scum

i'm not going to read your iso and point out the same shit he already read and say "yea you right homie"

[Milobird]

ooh i see

so a nightkill on SirCakes is not damning evidence to Mastina that Bell is scum

but a nightkill on Mastina is damning evidence to Cakes that Pooky is scum.

FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS

Yes, because they're not the same and you continue to conflate the two people badly because it's inconvenient and difficult to have a nuanced view on anything when you're scum.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes, because they're not the same and you continue to conflate the two people badly because it's inconvenient and difficult to have a nuanced view on anything when you're scum.

-Bell

Do you think Mastina is less likely than Sir Cakes to change her mind?

[Milobird]

There is a glaring issue with time in this Pooky's response to me.
Can you spot where he never tried to solve and waited 8 days for Sircakez to post in elo?

Let me give you a pictorial example:

[Milobird]

I hope this helped.
-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

solving implies you don't know what the solution is

I am town

I know I am town because that's in my role PM.

I am in a 1v1 with you, the last possible mafia player remaining.

I do not need to pretend to "solve" and figure out who the baddie is.

[Milobird]

Sircakez expressed uncertainty and instead of going back and trying to help him.
You basically pat his head and say you believed in him then proceeded to do nothing for 9 days until he finally found some time for himself and are now hiding behind that the reason you didn't bother showing him why we were scum
is because he went and did it himself.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you are confusing "solving" with "casing"

[Milobird]

I think you are focusing on something easier to deal with than the point I'm making.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I let Cakes do it himself because it's better to let people make up their own minds rather than have the ideas put into their head from someone who is self-interested.

Cakes can't trust a solve coming from me because from his point of view it's possible that I am scum giving him a fake narrative and trying to influence him.

Cakes doing it himself gives him the ability to look at your iso objectively without my commentary possibly influencing him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You're actually making the case for why I'm town here.

Instead of constructing a narrative and trying to influence Cakes, I let him do his own solving and look at things from his own point of view.