Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

It's 2am my time and I'm going to bed after I make the rounds

Goooood night everyone, especially andante

[Dwlee99]

if you thought i was bussing vp why wouldnt you just vote out vp?

why instead vote for enchant?

Okay one last cause I'm annoyed

I've answered this at least 5 times now

If anyone can bother to read my fucking posts please do

Pooky gets a pass cause he's scum doing this to piss me off on purpose by asking me the same question repeatedly, but for anyone reading this and going "ah yes dwlee needs to answer this question" AHHH

[Bingle]

Just gonna go ahead and post this so we can skip 10 more pages of you two saying it back and forth.

Basically: Pooky is scum for their push on Baltar, but it could be a bus, so i think it's Pooky/Baltar or Pooky/enchant here

i said you're scum cuz you voted for enchant while saying you thought fg was bussing vp and that makes no sense lol

[Sleepless Assassin]

Bingle we were talking about stuff on Page 95. Was that anything to keep going with? I've honestly forgotten who we were talking about in some of it, you have my reads wrong in parts (I'm not scumreading Fun and Games or townreading Enchant), and obviously I'm not scum with Gamma.

[Andante]

Goooood night everyone, especially andante

AWWW GOOD NIGHT TO YOU TOO!!! Well... GOOD MORNING NOW!!!

[Andante]

I am conflicted now...

[Andante]

I wanna

VOTE: Toogaloo

but like, there's not just 1 left... ughhh

[Andante]

I'm not going to bastardize the game, sadly, but I

am

confirmed town by virtue of just being in the game.

I plan on coasting for a bit until I am up to speed.

lol Toogaloo's first post

[Andante]

VOTE: darby

No mention of darby ANYWHERE in Toog's posts, yet votes Darby after Darby is hammered? This feels worse than just not voting to me tbh

[Andante]

VOTE: Enchant

This is scum. I did an iso dive of ico and darby on Night 1 (and Night 2, thanks guys!). Based on the combined associatives from both slots, I am like 90% confident Enchant is scum here.

"I did an ISO over 2 whole nights, yet I have no posts to bring back to yall"

Yeah I looked at darby and icon's Iso yesterday, took like 5 minutes... feels like scum that's trying to be all "look how much work I'm doing" but if Toog really looked at the ISO to find scum, there would be some sort of takeaway, at least a reference to certain posts

[Andante]

VOTE: dwlee

I feel p good abt town-enchant tbh

Toog if u can even give a tldr about what you found scimmy there, i would appreciate it

~ skitter

It's the way ico and darby handled Enchant.

Darby was "town-hunting" more and trying to drive home people as town, but the Enchant read never clicked. It was just constantly subtly pushed as a town read while more heavily pushing actual town reads, like A50 and Gamma, who have actually flipped town. Kind of a reverse rule of three tbqh.

Ico meanwhile kept slandering Enchant, and calling a few of their things scummy off the cuff, but rarely ever pushed and generally ignored Enchant, while keeping Enchant in a Null pile.

I'm not sure how else to tell you that the associatives between both parts of the flipped scum fell like they indicate Enchant as a partner than an adversary.

This is what should've been said with the "I spent so long ISOing" not after someone pushed back about it. and even in this response, I feel like specific posts should've been referenced, cause the way they're describing it, feels like Toog pushing a 3rd partner based on the 1st partner.

The ONLY thing toog has done this game is push Enchant, and the reasons aren't too bad, but if I had to guess, Enchant would be Toog's partner which is why Toog is so confident about it, and only adresses Enchant being scum, no TRs, just Enchant scum

[Andante]

Town:
VP
F&G
SA

PoE:
Enchant
Andante
Bingle
Dwlee

Of those PoE, I lean dwlee as more than likely town.

Enchant feels obvious, and I'm frustrated that everyone else has their own agenda, and is ignoring Enchant.

Puts VP as town, never says why, as the rest of us aren't TRing VP, but VP is so active, Toog doesn't wanna draw attention from a slot that talks a lot, that's why VP F&G and SA are Town. 2 people who talk a lot/gamesolve, and a 3rd who writes giant paragraphs, that Toog doesn't want to mess with. Yet tossed me in the PoE? lol ok whatever, it's just like, the ISO is only 17 posts, it ONLY adresses Enchant. Like, Toog pushed F&G, was immediately met with "Why are we scum?" from F&G, then Toog never calls them scum again. This is textbook scum coasting, I can't wait for Toog to come back today and go "sorry so far behind. no reads"

[Andante]

oops hit submit...

"Enchant feels obvious" what? cause enchant is your partner and you know enchant is scum? cause I guarantee you, Toogeloo is not looking at this game from a town pov, like as scum, I'll feel like my partners are way more obvious than they are, which is I think what's happening with Toog

[Andante]

If i was maf I would put Innocent Child, Jailkeeper and Tracker. More optimal i think.

lolno
Unless you have v high faith in your ability to hunt down TPR before you get whittled down to one I think IC vig cop is pretty much always optimal

Adding Vig is suicide.

but did Enchant add vig and say this? Like, that's what I genuinely don't get, why did maf give town vig? makes 0 sense to me lmao

[VP Baltar]

oops hit submit...

"Enchant feels obvious" what? cause enchant is your partner and you know enchant is scum? cause I guarantee you, Toogeloo is not looking at this game from a town pov, like as scum, I'll feel like my partners are way more obvious than they are, which is I think what's happening with Toog

So you think the solve is toog/enchant?

[Andante]

Imo i will be spectical about all claims.

It's next to impossible to counterclaim. So Vig claim in game without Vig is practically impossible to caught without all PR claims.

more mention of a vig? trying to figure out who vig is maybe?

[VP Baltar]

mod, can you prod toog if they don't post in the next hour or so

[Andante]

Btw NM have only 3 posts but somehow managing to be more active than often.

NM what you think about Dunn? I value your mind.

up till this, it's a lot of just talking to dats/gamma and joking about SA's name, no mention of Dunn prior to this from Enchant, kinda convenient to ask NM, but like, if you're talking to dats/gamma why not ask either of them? oh... cause you don't want a legit answer.

[VP Baltar]

Bingle - can I get an updated reads list from you now that you are somewhat caught up?

[Something_Smart]

mod, can you prod toog if they don't post in the next hour or so

They are in prod range now, so sure.

[Andante]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dunn

Legit think there are two scum in (Dunn, Gamma, enchant, Ico)

Game is moving too fast and they can't keep with the pace. Sleeper scum in the actives.

Have you never played a game where I was town before?

"i always like that as town"

We don't do that here.

Dunn what your play as town?

Unpopylar opinion, no scum has wagoned today otherwise i would be on chopping block already.

Can you walk me through this? It sounds like you're saying scum have spread their votes around otherwise they'd be voting you, is that right?

No-no i meant they are cool or passive as fuck.

Best way to divert attention is push someone else, but considering they are not pushing me (ez target) or you (nullread which "Townreaded person suggesting") tells one of these:
1. I am Mafia (I am not)
2. You are mafia (Idk about this)
3. Both (lol no)
4. Both town, but mafia so cool with wagons they don't need miselims.

Ego, mafia doesh't feel endangered or you are mafia or i suck at this game, can we speedkill someone already

Just reading the single Dunn interaction, feels like talking to a partner/not taking it seriously/trying to go anywhere with it.

1492 and 1500 are interesting to me lmao, Enchant has put more effort into "why am I not being voted" than pushing any SR

[Andante]

Final answer, it's Toog and Enchant

[Andante]

I see NOTHING in the dunn/Toog/Enchant ISOs to convince me otherwise

[Andante]

after prob Toog is literally just gonna show up, say there's too much to read, and that's it, watch

[Andante]

VOTE: Enchant here I'll join this wagon for today