Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

I don't think it is Toog here but can compromise over F&G with enchant

[Fun and Games]

As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.

Can u explain this again, i'm not following?

~ skitter

Pookys argument is the that the a50 event was a crucial play by me where i was trying to hammer home a Gamma misyeet.

I'm saying that if I'm scum, me killing a50 and revealing his alignment to the town would be a suboptimal play if I was scum. It would invite blowback and criticism against me, when there were many other kills presumably that would not.

i guess in my mind, while the blowback on a50 isn't great if you're scum, it isn't really a factor i would take as scum when decidding to kill him, if that makes sense
and who else was scum-you going to kill anyways?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: dwlee

There ya go.

ty

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

That feels like an incredibly weak town case for Enchant

I'll let you know when I get to 116, sure.

i mean i don't know if that's a towncase so much as me disagreeign with toog's scumcase

but yeah i'm not sure he hammers both of them, and i think he would try to ~modulate~ himself to look better if scum if that makes sense

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

skitter repeating my scumread on them is bad WHILE THEY IGNORE THE EXPLANATION THEY ASKED FOR

you wanna requote it?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

[Andante]

andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

yeahhhh lol but like, just look at Toog(Dunn) and Enchant, I really do think that's the team

[VP Baltar]

As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.

Can u explain this again, i'm not following?

~ skitter

Pookys argument is the that the a50 event was a crucial play by me where i was trying to hammer home a Gamma misyeet.

I'm saying that if I'm scum, me killing a50 and revealing his alignment to the town would be a suboptimal play if I was scum. It would invite blowback and criticism against me, when there were many other kills presumably that would not.

i guess in my mind, while the blowback on a50 isn't great if you're scum, it isn't really a factor i would take as scum when decidding to kill him, if that makes sense
and who else was scum-you going to kill anyways?

~ skitter

Haven't thought about it since I'm not in the position to consider. But Bingle has some fairly universal good will. It's not that I don't think a50 would have been considered, but what I'm saying is that it is half as crucial as pooky is claiming, it would be a reason for me to not want that.

[VP Baltar]

andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

[Andante]

andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

You seem to want to challenge everything F&G say? Have you not seen me be "confident" in a million different things the past 24 hours??

[Andante]

however, unless we wanna ego vote out VP (or whatever it's called) the team is simply Toog and Enchant

[Fun and Games]

Haven't thought about it since I'm not in the position to consider. But Bingle has some fairly universal good will. It's not that I don't think a50 would have been considered, but what I'm saying is that it is half as crucial as pooky is claiming, it would be a reason for me to not want that.

ehhhhhhhh idk i'm still not sure i buy this or that this would be such a major factor in makign the nk
(at the very least i can't imagine it would be so important for me if i were making the kill in your position)

not sure i have much else to say on this point tho

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

i don't think that that 'very concerned' matches the vibe of that post or really my entire trajectory today

~ skitter

[Andante]

I was laughing at 3055 lol it didn't come off as "very concerned"

[Andante]

Skitter, my only issue now though, is I don't think you or pooky sr enchant/toog (dun) and that's where I want to vote lol

[VP Baltar]

andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

You seem to want to challenge everything F&G say? Have you not seen me be "confident" in a million different things the past 24 hours??

I'm challenging them because they take every opportunity possible to nudge toward me despite having a fairly weak argument. I KNOW it is a misyeet they are angling for when it comes to me, and there is no way in hell I'm letting them do that easily. If I die, so be it, but I want their bullshit all on record for later so pooky can't go "oops lol" and try to blame it on me.

So yep, I will continue to challenge everything they say in regards to trying to yeet me today.

[VP Baltar]

andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

i don't think that that 'very concerned' matches the vibe of that post or really my entire trajectory today

~ skitter

When enchant came up seriously as a wagon was when yall started badgering me incessantly to vote dwlee. When andante votes there, you pop up trying to nudge her away from her vote. So yeah, you seem to have an interest

[Enchant]

Wait how you tied me and Toog

[Enchant]

What you smok

[Sleepless Assassin]

If i was maf I would put Innocent Child, Jailkeeper and Tracker. More optimal i think.

lolno
Unless you have v high faith in your ability to hunt down TPR before you get whittled down to one I think IC vig cop is pretty much always optimal

Adding Vig is suicide.

but did Enchant add vig and say this? Like, that's what I genuinely don't get, why did maf give town vig? makes 0 sense to me lmao

If I was scum talking here about roles I'd be more likely to be as far off from what I actually picked as possible. I wouldn't personally want the conversation as either alignment though.

Just reading the single Dunn interaction, feels like talking to a partner/not taking it seriously/trying to go anywhere with it.

Isn't that kind of how Enchant talks to everyone? What do you think of them being counterwagons to each other Day 1?

i mean i don't know if that's a towncase so much as me disagreeign with toog's scumcase

I just meant in general nothing in that makes Enchant sound more likely to be town. The hammer thing is probably just playstyle. Some people would rather hammer than be the driving force and Enchant even made a comment very early Day 1 about preferring to strike later or something.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Bingle is scum he'd see Datisi as a thorn in his side

I definitely shouldn't be townread off the back of Dats dying, but thinking this is a reason I'd kill someone is hilarious, tbh.

Hi, my name is Bingle and I actively want to be scumread as scum. And also as town. In the former case because having something to defend against means I don't have to effort about generating reads and in the latter because analyzing why I'm being scumread helps me to generate reads. I truly despise being a UTR regardless of my alignment.

Maybe its the laughing smilie but something in this makes me think you expected me to know that despite it being a very weird thing if true.

If you did hypoclaim yesterday please repeat yourself so I don't have to go searching.

Night 1 innocent result on Gamma.

Also, I just realized that SA slipped back into the not linking his posts to the context and I'm not sure how to take that given the long conversation about the scum motivation behind that.

2413
Oh shit I forgot that. 20452391

[Toogeloo]

Sorry, I'm here. What did I miss?

[Toogeloo]

Endwalker came out Friday, so... Yeah.

[Toogeloo]

however, unless we wanna ego vote out VP (or whatever it's called) the team is simply Toog and Enchant

Ooo... Interesting solve.

[Dwlee99]

skitter repeating my scumread on them is bad WHILE THEY IGNORE THE EXPLANATION THEY ASKED FOR

you wanna requote it?

~ skitter

This post

I have a computer so now I can quote how this is BS

For Bingle's request:
Andante - I think town for the energy that went into day two, but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.
Toogeloo - Town cause cop inno
Sleepless Assassin - I don't think I got a chance to see SA before this day phase so they were previously just poe. I want to townread them now just for the wall posts on the associatives but also it's just so much associatives and I want more reasoning from them that isn't fundamentally tied to that before I will feel really good about this slot.

Everyone else I'm big ??????? right now

So that's...

Bingle
Enchant
F&G
VP

I think F&G's push looks like how I bus so?

I say it could be a bus

Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm

Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

Cause Pooky could be scum without you being scum?

Me furthering that VP and Pooky don't have to be aligned even if Pooky is scum

Pooky are you bussing VP. And tell the truth

Here's a question I ask Pooky which gets ignored in the ensuing shit fight

VOTE: Enchant

A whole night passes and I have slept and enchant is making bad posts.

And THEN pooky jumps down my throat in reaction. Ignores 2639, ignores all of my posts suggesting it could be a bus, and only when I vote Enchant it's how I'm openwolfing and scum and blablabla chainsawing for enchant super hard

Which got this:

And THEN pooky jumps down my throat in reaction. Ignores 2639, ignores all of my posts suggesting it could be a bus, and only when I vote Enchant it's how I'm openwolfing and scum and blablabla chainsawing for enchant super hard

rofl

i said vp baltar and dwlee were scum BEFORE you two ever voted for enchant so this is a pretty funny chainsaw defense accusation.

am i now a time traveling bear lolol

But this isn't even a response to what I'm saying. The point is that pooky might have been suggesting we were scum, but when I'm around before then he doesn't interact with me, only linking me to VP to push VP. Then when I vote enchant he THEN starts going head-to-head with me, which is the point of the interaction I'm highlighting. Calling me scum indirectly ("dwlee is VP's partner") is not the same as directly attacking me (which is the interaction after I voted Enchant) which is why I think it's a chainsaw specifically and not just an extension of already saying I'm scum