Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[GuiltyLion]

Pav, I'm asking how you knew the Ice Team kill flavor is "frozen", specifically. Not talking about how we knew it was the Fire team that did it.

[Pavowski]

Does that strike you as a crazy leap in logic?

If the fire team kill was "incinerated", what would you expect the ice team kill to read as?

Mildly refrigerated?

[T3]

OKAY LET'S EFFORT THIS GAME

[Bingle]

Bingle, why are you less suspicious of me here than you were yesterday?

I'm not, I'm just also not interested in your elimination. There is a meaningful distinction between the two.

[T3]

Also basically every time I’ve seen town salsa run up she’s either self hammered or replaced out.

What'd you make of Salsa threatening the self right before I unvoted?

[T3]

i think basically everyone's established this, but to be explicit so that nobody suggests anything daft later (and also to get auro's thoughts): pavowski's town. there was literally no reason for him to signal for a kill on guiltylion, guiltylion was townreading him all day; and the observation that scum would be too paranoid to make that sort of comment if not as an intentional signal rings pretty true. while start-of-day speculation on the night targets was a pretty bad idea, i think it makes a lot more sense from "townie with weird hang-ups about night" than "scum who went straight for the same speculation that had him under suspicion day one".

unless every single leading wagon was on town

i wouldnt dismiss this possibility lol. like, the literal majority of the playerlist (myself adamantly included) believed that both you and salsa were likely scum, day one was lowkey a bit of a clusterfuck.

VOTE: enchant

seeing as apparently your votes dont require any further comment

I don't know what happened but I agree with the statement at the top.

[GuiltyLion]

Does that strike you as a crazy leap in logic?

If the fire team kill was "incinerated", what would you expect the ice team kill to read as?

Mildly refrigerated?

idk, I would think the easy fire kill flavor would be "burned", I agree "frozen" is probably the most basic choice but there's synonyms, could have been "chilled", "iced", "glacierized", who knows. I just feel it's odd you used a specific word that I hadn't seen used anywhere in the set up description or flavor

[T3]

But does scum!T3 forget he voted for Salsa an hour earlier?

It's NAI.

[Bingle]

ah I'm rereading a few things and realizing I might have misunderstood this - did you want a tl;dr on 575 specifically? In my head I thought you were asking for a general readslist here. regardless, readslist coming in a sec, and maybe I'll try to touch on this there. it won't be in tl;dr form though

Not specifically on 575, no. I just got the feeling that your content was analysis heavy and conclusion light.

I'm also not solely talking about reads. If you have a gamestate theory or something along those lines I'd be happy to hear that as well. I just want to know what you actually got out of the work you did.

[T3]

Auro, join me on T3?

let's not

[Bingle]

Mildly refrigerated?

Not Mafia has been mildly refrigerated for years, and it still doesn't stop him from trolling the shit out of the game.

[T3]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did

and somebody else got doc's and frozen

, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

Yes death flavours are indicative. Ice Mafia is

Frozen

, Fire Mafia is

Incinerated

and a CPR Doc kill is

Shocked

. If all three were to target a player, the fire and ice mafia kills would cancel out and the CPR Doc would kill the player. I will add this to the rules section.

Pav - how did you know the Ice Team's flavor was "frozen" specifically? I don't recall seeing that anywhere prior to N_M editing the posts.

I believe it was in the setup thread but I might be wrong.

[T3]

VC 2.01

Galron (0)-

Enchant (2)-

mc esther, DArby

Pavowski (0)-

Roden (0)-

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (2)-

Roden, Enchant

GuiltyLion (0)-

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (4)-

Bingle, Galron, LicketyQuickety, Auro

(E-2)

Not Voting (3)-

Pavowski, GuiltyLion, T3

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-14 19:00:00)

- Dec 14th 19:00 GMT

I'd appreciate it if I Wasn't Hammered
esp because i've been gone for the entire day and most of yesterday

[Pavowski]

Does that strike you as a crazy leap in logic?

If the fire team kill was "incinerated", what would you expect the ice team kill to read as?

Mildly refrigerated?

idk, I would think the easy fire kill flavor would be "burned", I agree "frozen" is probably the most basic choice but there's synonyms, could have been "chilled", "iced", "glacierized", who knows. I just feel it's odd you used a specific word that I hadn't seen used anywhere in the set up description or flavor

Maybe you should buy the mod a thesaurus.

This feels like you're trying to find a reason to scumread me for something that was pretty bland.

It would be way more telling if I had in fact said "nobody got sub-zeroed" and the mod later clarified the ice team kills as getting sub-zeroed

[Pavowski]

VC 2.01

Galron (0)-

Enchant (2)-

mc esther, DArby

Pavowski (0)-

Roden (0)-

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (2)-

Roden, Enchant

GuiltyLion (0)-

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (4)-

Bingle, Galron, LicketyQuickety, Auro

(E-2)

Not Voting (3)-

Pavowski, GuiltyLion, T3

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-14 19:00:00)

- Dec 14th 19:00 GMT

I'd appreciate it if I Wasn't Hammered
esp because i've been gone for the entire day and most of yesterday

You are not even close to hammer time yet, my dude

Well, one step closer now VOTE: T3

[Pavowski]

Damn I misreadUNVOTE:

[Bingle]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did

and somebody else got doc's and frozen

, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

Yes death flavours are indicative. Ice Mafia is

Frozen

, Fire Mafia is

Incinerated

and a CPR Doc kill is

Shocked

. If all three were to target a player, the fire and ice mafia kills would cancel out and the CPR Doc would kill the player. I will add this to the rules section.

Pav - how did you know the Ice Team's flavor was "frozen" specifically? I don't recall seeing that anywhere prior to N_M editing the posts.

I believe it was in the setup thread but I might be wrong.

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

It wasn't, I checked when posting this.

[Pavowski]

I'm ready to vote there but don't want to end day yet

[Bingle]

I might have a pretty angleshooty read, but I need confirmation of something from the mod before outing it.

[Bingle]

Actually, there's no harm in outing how I'm going to get it, so I can do that.

There is no kill flavor in the Role PMs provided on page 1. (I know, I checked a while back.) I just asked NM if he put kill flavor in the maf pts (open, so general formatting of PTs should be public information). If yes, then I think that's scum indicative for GL. If no, I think that's fairly clearing for GL.

[Galron]

For pav tho right

[LicketyQuickety]

Actually, there's no harm in outing how I'm going to get it, so I can do that.

There is no kill flavor in the Role PMs provided on page 1. (I know, I checked a while back.) I just asked NM if he put kill flavor in the maf pts (open, so general formatting of PTs should be public information). If yes, then I think that's scum indicative for GL. If no, I think that's fairly clearing for GL.

What if both Ice and Fire shot A50? I know this probably isn't a good question to ask, but I can't help thinking this is at least possible.

Also, someone explain why Roden is confirmed Town because I'm not getting that.

[Enchant]

Fire and Ice cancel each other.

[Enchant]

Why you even need explaination.

Roden.was target of Publisher Cop (Almost50)

[Bingle]

What if both Ice and Fire shot A50? I know this probably isn't a good question to ask, but I can't help thinking this is at least possible.

Mod already answered this publicly. Fire+Ice would cancel and doc flavor would show as the kill.

Mod confirmed that he wouldn't have given anyone kill flavors prior to being asked, so if Pav slipped it was by specifically asking the mod what the kill flavor was and then outing that accidentally. Additionally, he would have had to either have faked not knowing the doc would be the kill flavor or only ask for partial flavor knowledge, which just seems weird. This is NOT clearing, because all it proves is that he didn't have access to information that scum didn't have access to by default (or is pulling the weirdest fucking fakeslip on earth that isn't even AI).

I think this IS clearing for GL because he's accusing Pav of being scum because he didn't have access to information that scum didn't have access to (or pulling a 5D fakeslip that relies on me pulling a 4D slip analysis).