Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Andante]

I mean, I'd be down to flip VP and actually get to play the game D4, there's a decent chance VP flips scum too, Enchant is making me doubt Enchant scum, Toog is making me more certain of Toog scum, and like, if people I trust are saying VP, I think we probably get VP, cause say we follow my ideas, we lim a town. back to everyone SRing VP, so I'd rather get VP today than later

[VP Baltar]

We should end this day at this point, unless SA has more to say. Think everyone has said their piece.

I think the the solve is 80% likely to be Enchant-Bingle, and have kind of been starting to feel this more as Andante town-spewed all over this thread with insane theories. It's also why I asked Bingle to give reads just to confirm if he was going to express original thought, which he did not do. Apologies to Anandte/F&G for the brawling today, but it was a necessary evil to get to a point of clarity. Feel free to flip me today if that's the consensus, but when you see green, please follow through on Enchant-Bingle and win this game or I will yell at all of you in the dead thread.

[Fun and Games]

Enchant just claimed goon???

i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

My gamestate read, at the moment, is that we’re in a 1 in 1 out scum in {VP/DW/Andante/FG} scenario. There was just too much resistance for too long to looking outside of it for me to think that there are two scum in there actively, unless the team is specifically Andante/Dwlee and their goal was to flip FG and VP sequentially. There are a couple little troubling things that won’t let me take that entirely off of the table, but given Andantes play overall and how everything seems to be shaking, I don’t put much credence into it.

why not vp/dwlee?

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Enchant just claimed goon???

i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter

So you give him a pass as too scummy to be scum.

[Fun and Games]

. From a gamestate standpoint, fighting a proxy war with your scumbuddy through two townies is a pretty healthy position to be in as scum this close to MYLO, (for proof of concept, check out the Mini theme from Team mafia this year where shea/FL did basically exactly that FL hiding behind Pine(my team) and Ramcius and Shea hiding behind TSQ.)

wait, i'm confused how this is playing out in this game

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

We should end this day at this point, unless SA has more to say. Think everyone has said their piece.

I think the the solve is 80% likely to be Enchant-Bingle, and have kind of been starting to feel this more as Andante town-spewed all over this thread with insane theories. It's also why I asked Bingle to give reads just to confirm if he was going to express original thought, which he did not do. Apologies to Anandte/F&G for the brawling today, but it was a necessary evil to get to a point of clarity. Feel free to flip me today if that's the consensus, but when you see green, please follow through on Enchant-Bingle and win this game or I will yell at all of you in the dead thread.

can u give me the tldr on this solve, and also explain why you're not considering dwlee?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Enchant just claimed goon???

i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter

So you give him a pass as too scummy to be scum.

i mean i guess if you want to say it that way, sure
i don't think scum plays this game this way

~ skitter

[Andante]

VOTE: VP
I don't even remember where my vote is half the time lmaooo

ehhh the claiming goon thing, I see no point in doing it as town, like I didn't see anyone even ask Enchant to claim, but meh

[VP Baltar]

We should end this day at this point, unless SA has more to say. Think everyone has said their piece.

I think the the solve is 80% likely to be Enchant-Bingle, and have kind of been starting to feel this more as Andante town-spewed all over this thread with insane theories. It's also why I asked Bingle to give reads just to confirm if he was going to express original thought, which he did not do. Apologies to Anandte/F&G for the brawling today, but it was a necessary evil to get to a point of clarity. Feel free to flip me today if that's the consensus, but when you see green, please follow through on Enchant-Bingle and win this game or I will yell at all of you in the dead thread.

can u give me the tldr on this solve, and also explain why you're not considering dwlee?

~ skitter

Enchant has been explained.

As far as bingle, I think he hasn't provided much if any original analysis since D1. I think the Datisi and A50 kills both make sense from a Bingle scum perspective as well, especially when he cleared a50 with a town tell. Killing him gives Bingle town cred by proxy. He then proceeded to sheep you.

Overall, bingle is very nice and placid all game, making zero waves and being very friendly with all. The one focused push he made in the game was gamma....and that’s about it that I can remember.

To your question about dwlee, it could be. I am not certain I'm right about Enchant, but the hammers are what they are. Both benefited scum, and Enchant hasn't exactly proven himself otherwise. If you are set on it being dwlee and me, I'd rather you flip me first so you can get out of this worldview you are in and see what I'm saying.

[VP Baltar]

Enchant just claimed goon???

i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter

So you give him a pass as too scummy to be scum.

i mean i guess if you want to say it that way, sure
i don't think scum plays this game this way

~ skitter

I disagree. If I was scum with enchants voting record, I'd be acting TSTBS as well. You can't win that fight on logical analysis, so have to sway through other approaches.

[Andante]

I'm kinda interested in VP not even caring about my vote on him anymore, like, just ignoring me and only focussed on F&G

[VP Baltar]

I'm kinda interested in VP not even caring about my vote on him anymore, like, just ignoring me and only focussed on F&G

I don't want to add any more fights to the thread. You said I'm pissing you off when I try to talk to you, so that's fine. I don't want to do that just to do it, and I feel pretty good about you being town now.

I was jabbing you earlier so I could assess you in an fighting state. We are past that now. If you want to lim me, so be it.

Just listen to what I've said tomorrow.

[Andante]

aghhhh why is it so easy to find scum sometimes and other times not. Like, half the people I've voted I'm like "Oh no, I'm gonna feel so bad if you flip town"

UNVOTE:

I'm so unsure lol

[Sleepless Assassin]

I skimmed today's stuff. I'd like to actually catch up but we have a scum claim so there's no sense waiting on me. I'm ready to vote there if everyone else is satisfied ending the day.

[VP Baltar]

Look, don't feel bad about flipping me if that's what's needed. I'm not gonna take it personally. We do need to move the game forward at this point.

[Andante]

well if you're town then yeah I'm gonna feel bad cause a part of me believes you're town

[VP Baltar]

I skimmed today's stuff. I'd like to actually catch up but we have a scum claim so there's no sense waiting on me. I'm ready to vote there if everyone else is satisfied ending the day.

You should catch up if you need to. I think you're the only person who hasn't had a full opportunity today.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I can try to find some time tomorrow but it's not likely to be everything.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Unless I stay up late and do it at like 3am. Which is a legitimate possibility

[VP Baltar]

Unless I stay up late and do it at like 3am. Which is a legitimate possibility

Lol that's more commitment than is probably necessary. We have time.

[Bingle]

why not vp/dwlee?

Why doesn't VP/Dwlee look outside of the 4 of you for so long?

[Sleepless Assassin]

It's the closest thing I have to free time though lol

[Bingle]

It's also why I asked Bingle to give reads just to confirm if he was going to express original thought, which he did not do.

If you're gonna keep calling me maf, I'm just gonna vote you lol

So. Andante Dwlee.

Andante has reevaluated ad nauseam all day and has had solves involving every slot, to the best of my knowledge. However, the only times she's pushed Dwlee seem to match up to when I start considering them as possibly aligned, and even then she drops the read pretty quickly. From a gamestate standpoint, fighting a proxy war with your scumbuddy through two townies is a pretty healthy position to be in as scum this close to MYLO, (for proof of concept, check out the Mini theme from Team mafia this year where shea/FL did basically exactly that FL hiding behind Pine(my team) and Ramcius and Shea hiding behind TSQ.)

But, if we're going here, we're limming Dwlee, not Andante.

Andante could be scum with Dwlee. Dwlee could be scum period.

The latter is always the right choice, just like Shea was always the right choice over Norwee.

Uh... What?

[Dwlee99]

I skimmed today's stuff. I'd like to actually catch up but we have a scum claim so there's no sense waiting on me. I'm ready to vote there if everyone else is satisfied ending the day.

I don't like this