Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Bingle]

As far as bingle, I think he hasn't provided much if any original analysis since D1. I think the Datisi and A50 kills both make sense from a Bingle scum perspective as well, especially when he cleared a50 with a town tell. Killing him gives Bingle town cred by proxy. He then proceeded to sheep you.

:thorface:

I didn't provide much original analysis while I wasn't in the thread. True.

Why do the Dats/A50 kills point to me over literally anyone, when they were the two people most likely to support me and "They were obvtown." is a much more likely explanation?

[Bingle]

I'm pretty okay with voting any of enchant/VP/Dwlee. Your pick, skitter.

[Dwlee99]

If they flip town, I look worse, you push me tomorrow. If they flip scum, you can push your tinfoil tomorrow.

i mean if they flip town do u accept being the mylo flip tom?

~ skitter

I thought you were talking to ducky for a minute there and got real confused.

My gamestate read, at the moment, is that we’re in a 1 in 1 out scum in {VP/DW/Andante/FG} scenario. There was just too much resistance for too long to looking outside of it for me to think that there are two scum in there actively, unless the team is specifically Andante/Dwlee and their goal was to flip FG and VP sequentially. There are a couple little troubling things that won’t let me take that entirely off of the table, but given Andantes play overall and how everything seems to be shaking, I don’t put much credence into it.

If one in four here it's FG

[Dwlee99]

If you're gonna keep calling me maf, I'm just gonna vote you lol

So. Andante Dwlee.

Andante has reevaluated ad nauseam all day and has had solves involving every slot, to the best of my knowledge. However, the only times she's pushed Dwlee seem to match up to when I start considering them as possibly aligned, and even then she drops the read pretty quickly. From a gamestate standpoint, fighting a proxy war with your scumbuddy through two townies is a pretty healthy position to be in as scum this close to MYLO, (for proof of concept, check out the Mini theme from Team mafia this year where shea/FL did basically exactly that FL hiding behind Pine(my team) and Ramcius and Shea hiding behind TSQ.)

But, if we're going here, we're limming Dwlee, not Andante.

Andante could be scum with Dwlee. Dwlee could be scum period.

The latter is always the right choice, just like Shea was always the right choice over Norwee.

Andante just isn't scum here dude how many times do I need to repeat this

[Dwlee99]

Its functionally omgus and imo incredibly reachy, as i think our push on ico doesnt look anything like a bus

I can look through the interactions with ico but they're not any part of my read on you so idk why it's relevant

You're townreading andante for p meh reasons with what i believe to be the goal of getting her to stop pushing you which seems to have worked since she's fairly chaotic and has already moved on

I'm townreading andante cause <reason> and she's so chaotic and unagenda'd it's obvious

So why exactlu are u scumreading us then

I keep repeating this :I

[VP Baltar]

I'm pretty okay with voting any of enchant/VP/Dwlee. Your pick, skitter.

Why do you need skitter to tell you who to vote?

[Dwlee99]

Also like again you can't just call it reachy and make it so

WHY is it reachy

Yes it is some OMGUS but that also is completely valid in this scenario cause of the way you've pushed me not that you scumread me at all

Uh explain why we're pushing our partner from p2 and were one of the biggest advocates for flipping him?

I actually still dont get what prompted ur initial read on us

~ Skitter

I'd have to revisit to see how this went down

[VP Baltar]

Why do the Dats/A50 kills point to me over literally anyone, when they were the two people most likely to support me and "They were obvtown." is a much more likely explanation?

Dats was probably a legit short term threat, and a50's flip gives you town cred, as I stated.

[Andante]

why are people suddenly trying to rush a hammer?

[Bingle]

Andante just isn't scum here dude how many times do I need to repeat this

I agree that Andante isn't scum unless you're also scum, so... You repeating that is a waste of time.

[Andante]

there's 8 days left... so it's not deadline? also these next 2 weeks are super shaky for me for how active I can be, thus I was trying to team solve the past 2 days, so at this point, town should TR me and I'll probably be taking more of a back seat (I'm sure all yall will be thrilled)

[Bingle]

Why do you need skitter to tell you who to vote?

I dunno, why would I take into account the opinions of my townreads?

[Andante]

Andante just isn't scum here dude how many times do I need to repeat this

I agree that Andante isn't scum unless you're also scum, so... You repeating that is a waste of time.

I also agree that Andante isn't scum

[Fun and Games]

why not vp/dwlee?

Why doesn't VP/Dwlee look outside of the 4 of you for so long?

Aren't they doing that when they try to kill Enchant?

[Fun and Games]

I don't know what 4 refers to.

I'm just thinking it makes sense that a VP/Dwlee team would try to ride Toogeloo's vote to an Enchant Elim

[VP Baltar]

Why do you need skitter to tell you who to vote?

I dunno, why would I take into account the opinions of my townreads?

Seems pretty weak to not just vote what you think is right and take responsibility for it, rather than. Make it FG's decision.

I'm at the bottom of your list, so you should vote if that's what you think.

[Bingle]

Dats was probably a legit short term threat, and a50's flip gives you town cred, as I stated.

actually i change my mind bingle is really fucking scummy

i'm not gonna vote him because uh he's not viable today but if i die totally take a look at him ok thanks

i am currently conflicted between voting gamma and voting darby

the cliffnotes on gamma that bingle posted sound very fun and sheepable, and the wagon on gamma seems much better participants-wise than the one on darby

however darby is my pet scumread and ico had some very icky progressions and he felt so dead

i'm gonna go step away and brush my teeth and see if i have an idea what to do

bingle is town

therefore a50 is also town

fuck i'm good at this game

Yup, looks like someone who is an immediate threat to me.

And when has it ever been a good idea to kill someone who is staunchly supporting you in the hopes that someone else will start staunchly supporting you?

That's a nonsense argument.

[Fun and Games]

VP Baltar, didn't you literally just vote for Enchant a few days ago and say it was "because you trusted Toogeloo"

[Bingle]

I'm just thinking it makes sense that a VP/Dwlee team would try to ride Toogeloo's vote to an Enchant Elim

I don't really see them doing that until like... just now.

They seemed pretty set on fighting you, which is a pretty bonkers plan if they're both scum.

[Andante]

see, I refuse to believe all the coasters are town though, VP and Dwlee as maf... together... ehhh I tr Dwlee over VP, but now I'm not gonna be a reliable Dwlee reader, they had me laughing, I tr fun people so much easier lol

[Fun and Games]

I don't really see them doing that until like... just now.

They seemed pretty set on fighting you, which is a pretty bonkers plan if they're both scum.

they both voted enchant a couple of days ago together I think

[Fun and Games]

VP Baltar has a history of fighting me, he does it every game we play together.

[VP Baltar]

Lol how do any of those posts make it look like dats town read you? Assuming scum you, you knew the case on Gamma was wrong. The last post was clearly sarcasm.

Pedit - in reply to bingle

[Bingle]

Lol how do any of those posts make it look like dats town read you? Assuming scum you, you knew the case on Gamma was wrong. The last post was clearly sarcasm.

Pedit - in reply to bingle

Did you read literally any of the context?

[Bingle]

I don't know what 4 refers to.

The 4 people I see as the center of discussion/activity today: you VP Dwlee Andante