Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Galron]

Cheeky, are you thinking GMo/S_S/T3?

[Galron]

Plus whomever I guess.

[Galron]

He was a weird governor-bodyguard hybrid thing from what I gathered

Did he have any abilities that would be useful to scum?

[Cheeky Wings]

NANCY

, THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP COMPELS YOU

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm, not sure if "scummier" but i dont like how Loftwing first admits to not playing the game and now says that Titus, who's already dead, is suspicious.
Not knowing what happened in WB doesnt make this easier, so it's hard to name someone

objectively

scummier, all i've gathered from your end is that there's at least 1 scum in WB and that T3 is likely GMo's partner due to some neighborhood stuff, and that you think deimos is scum due to VCA (Speaking of can you explain how you got to that conclusion? i'm not very good at VCA and everytime i used it, it backfired)

[Cheeky Wings]

Cheeky, are you thinking GMo/S_S/T3?

Deimos/SS/T3

GMo and Vic have already flipped red.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

VCA is like divining tea leaves. It's not a method you can explain to others.
~C

[Something_Smart]

BUT you tmi'd on Vic by saying JJH was her buddy when JJH was pushing GMo.

What

I Never Said Jjh Was Scum I Townread Him Up Until He Died

I Don't Understand What You're Trying To Argue Or Why It Would Be Scum Indicative

[Cheeky Wings]

Mhmm.
~C

[Something_Smart]

Are You Going To Explain It Then Or What

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Taly Are You Serious Right Now

This Is Literal Spam I Expect Better From One Of My Favorite Subjects

So yeah GMo is a liar then.

At Least

Possibly A Traitor But Certainly A Troll

I Refuse To Believe That Victorine Has A Post Restriction That Prevents Them From Playing The Game If That's What You're Implying GMo

Well I Say That But Not Known 15.0 Does Exist

But My Post Restriction Is Not That Bad Annoying Though It Is

Personally I Think That The Proportionally Most Likely Combination Is Victorine Being: Loyal And GMo Being: A Traitor

I Do Not Have Much Experience With Either But GMo Feels More Like Trying To Reach Out To And Pocket A Loyal Subject Under Pressure Than Saving An Ally

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

Is That All

Why Did You Make So Many Other Cryptic Posts Then

This Shifty Attitude Is No Good If You Want To Remain One Of My Subjects

Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

No

jjh might be town for this shitty push

I Think If Jjh Is A Traitor It Is More Likely With Victorine

What Better Way To Distance From A Flailing Partner Than To Accuse Someone Else Of Distancing From A Flailing Partner

I Think His Contributions Have Been Pretty Nice So Far However

I highly doubt Mo would fake such a weird trigger sentence for their vig
If they were reaction testing they'd go for believable

Sounds Like That's Exactly What He Did

i want to say jjh is townie but i have no idea what his scumgame actually is like so i am a but paranoia there

I Basically Feel The Same Way

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

Ircher Is Actually Playing The Game Though

Killing Gypyx Here Makes No Sense Especially When Victorine Is Still Alive And Still Useless

HEAL: Gypyx

Has Victorine Even Claimed Their Action

There Are Multiple People With Easy Flavors To Guess There Is No Excuse For Not Getting It Right

I'm trying to say that you knew Vic and GMo were scum when you tried to chainsaw JJH and you voted ratmans and Ircher over Vic when Vic was in your poe D1. It all looks pretty obvious in hindsight since we know some alignments now.
~C

Yeah Totally That's Why I Switched To Victorine Three Pages Later And Never Voted Ircher

Did You Even Read My Iso Before Posting This

BUT you tmi'd on Vic by saying JJH was her buddy when JJH was pushing GMo.

What

I Never Said Jjh Was Scum I Townread Him Up Until He Died

I Don't Understand What You're Trying To Argue Or Why It Would Be Scum Indicative

Besides literally PoE and having stronger reasons to tr others, there is actually nothing scummy in your ISO, so help us find the scum SS, if it isn’t you and rn, I’m weakly leaning to it not being you.

[Something_Smart]

I Am Going To See If I Can Get Back Into This Game Tomorrow

No Promises Though The Post Restriction Is Definitely Not Helping

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

I like CheekyWings these days

ydra scumread is still a yes but i have given up on being able to do anything there

i'd say the sheeky slot is my strongest townread, but even that is not very strong, considering i am still null on half the playerlist

Was there something in particular you liked from Cheeky

Was there something in particular you liked from Cheeky

once i got over the annoyance with her playetyle and her read on me, i figured there is actual solving behind it, just packed bad

i skimmed the deimos posts and it's one of those posts where i have to actually sit down and type up a big and convoluted answer that nobody actually cares about

I was half considering ignoring you myself because I think town still predominantly tr's me and I find it unlikely your arguments are going to convince them otherwise.
But I'd like to see what you have to say so unless you have something else you wanted to prioritise analysing I'd appreciate if you made at least a brief response.

So you have a very clear difference between how Datisi expresses a decisive strong tr on us, contrasted with Deimos who’s also seeming to tr us but being extremely hedgey about that read.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Mo thinks Galron uber scummy
I think they're maybe one or two hair's breadths +scum
What say you

I'd rather not vote Galron for now

I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me

So what's scummy about me?

Asking questions whose answers you openly admit not to having read, generally refusing to keep up with the game, refusing to make reads, feeling tonally adversarial throughout, finally posting some superficial one sentence per player analysis

My first impression is that scum wouldn't play like this, though there is a chance you just have gargantuan balls

So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

stop copying me >:(

I said it first!
Tstbs
If anything you're copying me

Morning

Ni

Give me one reason why you should not die for being utterly useless

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

Their play is clearly anti-town but it's not like this level of trollery has only ever been seen from scum
I wouldn't say their alignment is

obvious

.

Yo Victorine wagon is actually picking up traction?
I must be dreaming

While we're at it though- Ircher-

Do you think there might be a reason why scum!Yume could get excited about a scum role PM? Perhaps in a upick where you can pick anything? Where she picked a character she likes?

That is, if you actually believe she is excited about her role PM because I really don't believe she's done anything to justify that stance of yours

I actually think faking a post restriction in order to avoid the thread is the opposite of being excited about the role PM you have received

mindmeld

Yo Victorine wagon is actually picking up traction?
I must be dreaming

Join the dream team

I've been on it since time immemorial

Conclusion: Ircher indeed feels more shade-throwy and adversarial than normal towngame (on sample size of 1)

not to immediately disprove u but i think thats just ircher personality dependent on environment. i don't know how much reading into the kinds of reactions he is giving is useful.

'Tis possible
In any case I feel he's scummier for me than he used to be at least
I'd have voted him if the Victorine wagon hadn't blown up
Am considering it even now

I've been on it since time immemorial

and i literally asked u for a scumread 2 pages ago smh

What kind of salesman ship u doing

Well I'm not actually confident in the Victorine scumcase I think this "fear" hypothesis is pretty speculative
This was a placeholder vote aiming at pressuring them into actually playing the game

Victorine is anti-town and I think limming them is +equity in a vacuum
But we do not play in a vacuum, if I have a strong enough sr elsewhere I want to go for them instead

I explained why I was voting Victorine last page
The obvious conclusion is that I have not achieved sufficient confidence on any SR to outweigh the value I perceive on pressuring Victorine slot
I am very seriously weighing Ircher rn though
Might have another look-see at Gamma too right after I finish a few more econ exercises

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

Deimos is very hedgey in his read on Galron.

Deimos’ progression is super hedgey on Vic to suddenly wanting to flip jjh.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Mo thinks Galron uber scummy
I think they're maybe one or two hair's breadths +scum
What say you

deimos wat is ur updated thoughts on galron

I'd rather not vote Galron for now

I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me

I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me

So what's scummy about me?

Asking questions whose answers you openly admit not to having read, generally refusing to keep up with the game, refusing to make reads, feeling tonally adversarial throughout, finally posting some superficial one sentence per player analysis

My first impression is that scum wouldn't play like this, though there is a chance you just have gargantuan balls

My thoughts have not been updated beyond this and they likely will not be until I have another night of sleep under my belt

So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

stop copying me >:(

I said it first!
Tstbs
If anything you're copying me

Possibly interesting associatives with Mo?

[Not Known 15]

A reminder to everyone about GLB.

GLB has been possibly pro-scum at every single opportunity.
Sheeping on Victorine and "pushing" for towncred without really pushing Victorine.
Switching to Ircher when it seemed opportune.
Pushing Gypyx instead of Victorine Day 2.
Pushing me+T3 as a 1v1 with me

preferred

; whilst being totally scummy on a might be scum but lets go somewhere else read on GMO on Day 3.

At this point I want to see why people are NOT scumreading GLB.
If you have reasons to townread GLB, bring them here, to this thread, as detailed as possible.

[Taly]

I've played with

Fire

for years and I've never seen him hyperpost or engage like this as scum before. I don't know how he can pull this much interest out of his ass unless his WIM and perspective is honest.

I see the points you've made but scumsiding and scum alignment are not quite equal.

I also think

Fire

resisting a townread on me D1 was natural given that I have the reputation of an otherwise dangerous player.

I cam see a world where I'm hard pocketed by scum

Fire

but it feels so distant because his play and my play in here is an outlier compared to the rest of our games relatively speaking.

I also don't think he so quickly scumclaims with me in memes if he were actually scum. His play is just too ballsy for me to think it's Mafia. I know that's not the beat justification but it is what makes the most sense.

[Taly]

fire

am I pocketed by u

[Not Known 15]

You say that his play is an outlier. This suggests that it is not his town meta einher, correct?

[Taly]

I remember

Fire

as more active and aggressive as town but not to this degree

So my read on him here is not entirely meta, yes.

[Not Known 15]

His play also fits with scum trying to hold a bad team together while trying to survive. Scum backed into a corner is an explanation for an unusually agressive or active playstyle. We flipped two scum already and both were under suspicion by jjh day 1.
Memeing being scum with you does not sound AI for me, here. If it is an obvious meme, why would it?

[Not Known 15]

GLB also defended GMO against a cheeky push in the day 3 thread, before GMO was caught.

[RadiantCowbells]

Anything uPick: Votecount 4.263

T3 (3):

Ydrasse

, Deimos27
Deimos27 (3): Cheeky Wings, Good Luck Buddy, Taly
Loftwing (1): Gamma Emerald
Not Known 15 (0):
Gypyx (0):

Sakura Hana

(0):
Galron (0):
Good Luck Buddy (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Taly (0):
Clemency (0):
Cheeky Wings (0):
Something_Smart (0):
Ydrasse (0):

Not Voting: Gypyx, Sakura Hana, Clemency, T3, Something_Smart, Galron, Loftwing, Not Known 15

With 14 alive it's 8 to lim.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-12-21 21:00:00).

[Not Known 15]

Repeal the First Amendment

[Sakura Hana]

GLB also defended GMO against a cheeky push in the day 3 thread, before GMO was caught.

Ya know, this is the kind of things I wish people would tell me about the western block.