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[SirCakez]

like I've said not much is changing here :/
all the logic and scumhunting is pointing me at Milo but my gut and paranoia continues to say Pooky

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I can't really do anything for your paranoia dude :/

[SirCakez]

i know
im just thinking out loud

[Milobird]

Hey. I've read all of your recent posts. Pooky's and Sircakez.
i'm going to go off and then let the chips fall where they may. I'm not going to quote stuff which would no doubt make my arguments more convincing but I'm just going to be honest and see if Sircakez is able to detect sincerity. i could quote things and makes this more convincing but I won't.
you'll just have to reach the right conclusion by yourself from after this last post from me sircakez.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hey. I've read all of your recent posts. Pooky's and Sircakez.
i'm going to go off and then let the chips fall where they may. I'm not going to quote stuff which would no doubt make my arguments more convincing but I'm just going to be honest and see if Sircakez is able to detect sincerity. i could quote things and makes this more convincing but I won't.
you'll just have to reach the right conclusion by yourself from after this last post from me sircakez.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Cakez at the end of the day you’re either going to get out of the pocket and be objective or you’re not. Make a decision and vote with it.

[Milobird]

This is the part where Pooky calls that AtE in an attempt to discredit but it’s okay because /logic/

[Milobird]

Hey Cakez dumb question (TO CAKEZ NOT TO THE BEAR IF YOU INTERUPT ITS A SCUMCLAIM BEAR)

How’d we get a night result after all other scum flipped? If you remember, the mods confirmed a small error occurred AND the OP says scum can’t multitask unless otherwise noted

[Titus]

like I've said not much is changing here :/
all the logic and scumhunting is pointing me at Milo but my gut and paranoia continues to say Pooky

We're at the same place.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is the part where Pooky calls that AtE in an attempt to discredit but it’s okay because /logic/

this literally is ate

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hey Cakez dumb question (TO CAKEZ NOT TO THE BEAR IF YOU INTERUPT ITS A SCUMCLAIM BEAR)

How’d we get a night result after all other scum flipped? If you remember, the mods confirmed a small error occurred AND the OP says scum can’t multitask unless otherwise noted

Has anyone other living player actually confirmed your night result?

[Milobird]

How the fuck is another player supposed to confirm a night result

[Milobird]

like I've said not much is changing here :/
all the logic and scumhunting is pointing me at Milo but my gut and paranoia continues to say Pooky

We're at the same place.

Vote us then.

Ruin our streaks.

[Milobird]

Genuinely, y’all have wasted three weeks of our time for nothing and that’s stupid

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's actually wild that we've now come full circle back to AtE Bell.


Like just the other day Cakes told Bell/Notty that their AtE wasn't working because it looks nothing like town!bell

so Bell decided to try to put his "solving hat" on in one last desperate attempt to "sort" pooky with a bunch of quotes.

These quotes were so bad he dug his way to China and ended up making himself look even worse.

Now he's going to stop quoting and making it worse and decided to go back to AtEing cuz lol why not.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How the fuck is another player supposed to confirm a night result

You're claiming that you can't be scum because you did ____ at night and scum don't have multi tasking.

Except there's literally 0 proof that you did ____ at night.

It's like saying you cop checked yourself and found yourself to be innocent as fuck

like you're just trolling at this point right?

[Milobird]

And to add on to that, you really think scum have a DOUBLE rolecop? Note Imaginalitys flip- he is a straight up rolecop. Ours is a shitty evolved form one that you can go back to day three and corroborate via my interactions with Wisdom that our role functions as we have shared.

So, scums roles would be
(Through evolve) Two shot evolved form role cop (which is mostly useless by night three)
One shot Backup that copies moves
One shot delayed bomb/one shot role stopper
Two shot role cop/godfather/thing that can mix up results
Unvoter that roleblocks

Versus town-
Three shot delayed cop
Vig neighborhood
Roleblock watcher WHO STOPPED POOKY ON A NIGHT WITH NO KILL
Follower
Nonconsecutive doctor
Delayed rolestopper

Like, how is that fair for scum lol

[Milobird]

You know for someone such an expert on Bell you sure suck ass at telling when he’s not posting despite me REPEATEDLY saying I’m not signing and he is

But /logic/ amirite

[Milobird]

Also my role is confirmed via interactions with wisdom prior to flip so nice try

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You could be a JOAT with 1 shot shitty role cop

You're literally saying you can't be scum because your power is too weak

when we don't have any fucking clue what your actual power is

[Milobird]

What’s the mod error then Pooky?

If I’m lying what’s the error

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You know for someone such an expert on Bell you sure suck ass at telling when he’s not posting despite me REPEATEDLY saying I’m not signing and he is

But /logic/ amirite

wtf does this even mean

I'm talking about Bell's last post

it's literally all AtE

and here comes notty to with the mech gibberish hail mary like lol what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What’s the mod error then Pooky?

If I’m lying what’s the error

how the fuck would I know what the mod error is?

[Milobird]

No no, you can’t backtrack

You said my role wasn’t true

What’s the mod error bear

[Milobird]

First off,
my biological father was abusive. he left when I was about 3. As a teenager I examined that abandonment. I used to get angry a lot. I also thought I didn't want to be like my father. I stopped insulting Sircakez because I got that bubbly sensation of being mad, everyone experiences anger differently, but my ears burn, my eyes widen, and I feel like a bottle of pure acid is coming up from my throat and I am about to say or do something that I should not do. I do not like how my anger makes me feel both during being angry and in the aftermath of that anger. I used to throw tantrums a lot as a kiddo.

Sircakez earlier in this game you said that you felt like the protagonist while quoting our posts. Perhaps this is unfair but I would place this in the realm of what I call a hero solve against the opinions of others, in this case, try hardier players.
Remember when you said that Pooky was likely not scum because you presented him with 4 options and he intentionally shot Gyphx?
Pooky recently posted and he said he didn't suspect you in part because you handed him Gyphx on a platter, implying you solved for Gyphx or contributed greatly to his own read with your insight.
You know this isn't true, and it isn't true. Pooky chose who to shoot and you were correct there. The reason he says this now is because he thinks that's what you want to hear. You just looked past it. In my opinion, you have looked past a lot.
You seem to have difficulty with understanding time in relation to when someone is and isn't cleared. Pooky should have suspected you until you were cleared by the true neighbor or whatever it is called, but you seem to think of time as one solid block and that's the refutation you made to it. But solving isn't a cross section, it's a progression, trejectory etc. Which is something you seemed to have totally neglected in your scum hunting tools. Did Pooky progress and how fast did he progress?
None of those games I quoted did he not have at least one independent thought or example of some level of suspicion or curiosity towards others (in this case the only one he seemed to have is the one toward Ralts), but you say he did the same here. But you've failed to take into account how long Pooky went without saying any thing of value here compared to elsewhere.

Pooky has already stated that he fits himself into a game as scum and does what he thinks it takes to win. Apply this lense to Pooky. What did Pooky need to win? It's you and that's been true since day 1 of this game. Because his role pm was one in which he was put into a neighborhood with town with an ability to vig others. The role itself makes sense, because it's a nerfed second kill for mafia, held in check by pairing them with town and limiting its number of uses. The meta you are using for Pooky is poorly thought out and it excuses too much of his contentless early play and total lack of trajectory.



If you vote us though you're going to feel small because you were ultimately manipulated by Pooky the entire game. From start to finish and could not escape him. He is good at it, he sees what you want and is letting you have as much rope as you want to hang yourself with. Your trajectory has never been in question. Notty and I both think you are predictable and so does Pooky. This is one of the reasons we both laughed when Pooky tried to sell his kill as one that didn't favor him. My issues with being scum are related to motivation, commitment, and difficulty with trying to not be mean to people, while also stressing from trying to make up a lot of stuff. But I don't think I've had much difficulty as scum understanding others or spotting their weaknesses. It's always been shitty execution, inability to mimic a town game that is turbo charged.

In terms of your comment about you having been cleared so had pooky no longer suspecting you. Please note that on day 8 or 9 he made a post that conveyed fake paranoia about you this is something you also looked past and Pooky made a mistake there, but because it's you he wasn't in much danger.

I do want to point out that Firebringer's death was pure sarcasm from Pooky about being broken hearted about it an there's pretty much no other way to interpret that post, but you just ignored that too.

Uh, what I'm trying to say Sircakez is that ultimately, you can fuck up here and I won't be mad at you post game. I will not follow you around and say you suck. Not because Pooky earned it, but because I don't want to be the kind of person that would do that because it's pretty nuts when you think about it. I can be pretty competitive. You ultimately could not free yourself from your own ego. This is part of why you're town and why Pooky is not.

I also want to note that Pooky has largely compared his positive reinforcement to our negative reinforcement. But this isn't something I think you've thought about Sircakez.
Ultimately negative reinforcement backfires and the other person resists. While gambling addicts attest to the fact that positive reinforcement never back fires and they will keep on gambling for the rest of their natural lives if left alone or until they destroy themselves.
Pooky is letting you destroy yourself.
I'm not even going to pretend I'm trying to do you a favor by getting you to vote right. But I do think it would be pretty cool if you voted Pooky after I wrote this and say me being 100% honest with you in all of my disorganized chaos of a mind.

I imagine I sound insane and I know that Pooky is going to say that I am insane because that's just the sort of fruit he reaches for.

But anyway, yeah.

Great speech?

huh? No? That's why I'm town. No polish. No varnishment or bullshit.

-Bell