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[Milobird]

Also, I'm town.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Titus and Cakez

This is the bottom line. If you two don’t see it with this you aren’t going to until flips are up. You now have MOD CONFIRMATION that the rolestopper is useless to stop the perish song in this instance.

There are two options for the nightkill. Either we are scum who knew TIL was perish songed and Gamma could target them that day, (because he had claimed to have targeted us the night before), and chose to target the OBVIOUS rolestop target who was dead after that phase anyways, and got our kill stopped

Or Wheme stopped the kill by blocking Pooky.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You don't agree he should vote you for his own well being?
Because I'm being honest about that too.
It would make him feel better.

This is just the same "I am town" garbage you have spammed for the entirety of the game.

Except now you've repackaged it into AtE that is about Sir Cakes.

instead of "how dare you suspect me you fucking idiot"

You've noticed he's not responding to that type of AtE so you've repackaged it into:

"Vote for Pooky because I'm town and you will feel good.
I promise you will feel amazing.
You will feel the best you've ever felt"

Which I guess is at least somewhat clever in re-framing the AtE into being positive for him rather than using negative reinforcement.

But if he actually analyzes your mood he would realize it doesn't make emotional sense for you to shift from being angry at him over not voting me to being nice to him and sucking up.

If you

actually

believed that your "mech-case" that notty posted last night was actually good and powerful and convincing as you swore up and down last night it was.

You would let that stand on its own.

Instead you are feeling weak and decided to go back to AtE because desperation.

Here's the thing tho.

If you're town and you actually believed the mech-case was

good

you would be

fustrated

at SirCakes for not listening to your mech case or not responding to your mech case at all.

You would be AtEing with fustration and anger.

Instead you've changed tacks and decided to go back into suck-up mode.



Here's the thing. I am an expert at emotional manipulation and reading for fake emotions.

The thing Cakes can see here, is that your emotions

don't actually make sense

for the game state you are saying exists.

Instead of presenting rage and frustration with SC for not reading your mech-case or not being convinced by your mech-case. (which you would genuinely feel if you were actually convinced by that garbage pile of a case as you claim to be)

You are nice, soft and soothing.

The kindest sweetest version of Bell.

It literally doesn't make a lick of sense.

I'll hydra with you some day and teach you how to AtE effectively as scum. You have to actually think about what mindset it makes sense for you to have as town.

You can't just swear up and down you're town. Literally nobody falls for that shit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if bell actually believed in that flaming dumpster pile of a "mechcase" he wouldnt be desperately ateing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bells posts when combined with their avatar are like custom-built to be the maximum amount of infuriating.

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net
I shut down dialogue about whether or not I am scum or whether or not my thinking makes sense because engaging people on their read of me is unpleasant for me and rarely feels productive.

Anyone who compulsively shuts down any scumread of them whether they're town or scum has made themselves a deeply unpleasant player.

Discussion of your alignment is always unproductive

for you

because at the start of the game penguin_alien sent you your alignment. Therefore there's no discussion that could be possibly productive

for you

because it's absolute factual knowledge that you already possess. It's productive for every player in the game that's not you, excepting perhaps your hypothetical scumbuddies (were you scum).

When you sign up to play a game of mafia, you're signing up for a game where your words, intentions, alignment, reads, and everything about your posts will be doubted. Now you can call out bad arguments. But attempting to shut down any possible discussion of it

having voluntarily, of your own free will signed up for a game you knew it would happen in

makes you a deeply unpleasant person to play mafia with.

Have some fucking empathy. Everyone else is playing the game with the same understanding and limitations, and most of us are town trying to figure things out. In fact in every game most of everyone is town trying to figure things out.

In other words, you're being an ass. Chill.

This is scum telling it like it is to me in Warehouse 13. I also quite like Grayice.
So, you know. Also I have a long history of saying I'm town as town and also a long history of saying I have a long history saying I'm town a lot as town.

-Bell

this is literally irrelevant

[Icebox]

Oh, this is easy to address.

I never stopped insulting or being frustrated with Sircakez so your point is mute. I just dialed it down because I was writing and deleting things that were uncool to write and experiencing feelings that made me feel sick.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im pretty sure sir cakes can read your ate and see how you changed your ate

[Milobird]

Oh, this is easy to address.

I never stopped insulting or being frustrated with Sircakez so your point is mute. I just dialed it down because I was writing and deleting things that were uncool to write and experiencing feelings that made me feel sick.

-Bell

[Milobird]

im pretty sure sir cakes can read your ate and see how you changed your ate

This is another lie, because you wouldn't have requoted it on this page and the previous one.
The reason you're doing this is because Sircakez said your previous case on the same topic was "pretty convincing." You're just repeating it and manipulating him by encouraging him and his self-esteem again this is only going to make him feel worse.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Yeah, I don't actually have to post everything and it be AI.
Sometimes I just like to explain myself.
But in that case, I was pointing out that I am pretty obnoxious(and have pretty much always been that way) when suspected as town.

-Bell

[Milobird]

It's something scum like to exploit because it's easier to call me an asshole than to case me.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im pretty sure sir cakes can read your ate and see how you changed your ate

This is another lie, because you wouldn't have requoted it on this page and the previous one.
The reason you're doing this is because Sircakez said your previous case on the same topic was "pretty convincing." You're just repeating it and manipulating him by encouraging him and his self-esteem again this is only going to make him feel worse.

-Bell

I literally requoted it because you decided to start requoting and going for a new page to reset

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am addressing the AtE you used on the previous page.

I am showing why that AtE is faked and unnatural from a neutral POV which is the one that SC has.

I wouldn't be doing that if you didn't try to use shitty AtE again.

[Milobird]

I explained that I swallowed my barely contained rage to try to work with Sircakez.
and explained that I don't like the abusive side of me that just wants to head butt sircakez until he does what I want.
This is a perfectly servicable explanation.

And no, Sircakez gives you ammunition and you're an opportunist.
Reading Sircakez early posts about sheeping him, feeling like a protag, hero solving etc.
You molded yourself around that.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

After the game is over I'll show you how I use AtE to win scum games and how AtE has to be used correctly ok?

It's not something you can just use as a hammer and then switch from a hammer to a soft glove.

The transition is too jarring and looks fake as fuck to anyone even remotely paying attention.

It's ok you'll get better at this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I explained that I swallowed my barely contained rage to try to work with Sircakez.
and explained that I don't like the abusive side of me that just wants to head butt sircakez until he does what I want.
This is a perfectly servicable explanation.

actually that explanation kinda sucks

[Milobird]

Like, Notty did the same thing too.
And you keep acting like people really will just keep escalating until the building burns down.
But Town Pooky knows people aren't like that. Or else we would be living in a nuclear hellscape.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like we've all been angry at people.

maybe not to the level of anger you keep proclaiming you are at, but all of us have tantrum moments that we pretty much lose it

that's part of being human

what doesn't really happen is being able to flip from pure unadulterated rage to tail waggy puppy dog love

like that's just fake as fuck dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like, Notty did the same thing too.
And you keep acting like people really will just keep escalating until the building burns down.
But Town Pooky knows people aren't like that. Or else we would be living in a nuclear hellscape.

-Bell

nice strawman

I didn't say you'd keep escalating until explosion

[Milobird]

Just that I would keep being a dick forever

-Bell

[Milobird]

It's a poor argument. Simply because it presumes tensions remain high forever, when it's an up and down thing.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nope.

I said the transition from being a dick flaming SC with insults to being a nice solvey puppy dog happened exactly after I called you out for DC/not being that way in DC and SC looking at that, nodding and saying hey bell this shit isn't working for me.


It's opportunistic in a way that shows your AtE to be fake and targeted.

You're not raging at SC because you're angry, you're raging at SC because you think raging at SC will get him to townread you and vote me

As soon as he told you "nah this shit ain't working for me" you switched into happy tail waggy puppy dog cuz you realized that shit wasn't going anywhere.

[Milobird]

Except I kept on doing it after the point you made that argument.
I've done that a lot and it's a town tell when people still do the stuff they're told will explicitly get them scum read or are annoying people. The changing on a dime thing, is actually more present in your posts than mine.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Nope you actually went right into tail waggy puppy dog mode with the goo goo ga ga eyes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Here's an instant playback in case you forgot what that looked like:



Good thing I have these screenshots all saved on my server so its easy to just repost them