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[Milobird]

Nah, you also had the same thing with Mastina, and Koba.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when i lose a game to a godfather vig neighbor scum thats when ill change my way of thinking.

[Milobird]

But we're rehashing old arguments.

I still think Notty's argument is enough.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im going to go eat a nice meal and enjoy my weekend

have fun regurgitating the same debunked bullshit from last week

maybe if you spam enough garbage into this thread sircakes will finally break

good luck !

[Milobird]

when i lose a game to a godfather vig neighbor scum thats when ill change my way of thinking.

Could you explain what you're referring to?
I vaguely feel that you're referring to Sircakez argument in relation to the set up design related to your shared vig role and how he doesn't think that makes balanced sense. Which is more preying on his own opinions, trying to mirror them as closely as possible because you've shared precious few independent original opinions on your own. But I'm not sure if that's what you're doing.

-Bell

[Milobird]

im going to go eat a nice meal and enjoy my weekend

have fun regurgitating the same debunked bullshit from last week

maybe if you spam enough garbage into this thread sircakes will finally break

good luck !

Sircakez, does this seem like something Town Pooky would say.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I would strongly recommend that you vote Pooky and focus on your finals.
This is simply too much cognitive load on top of that.'

Yes I know me saying that is annoying. Saying it anyway because I genuinely think that will help you.

-Bell

[Milobird]

-Pooky's first mention of me was when I voted Pooky after Wheme jailkept him. That happened on D4. While Pooky said he wasn't reading D1, that still leaves D2 and D3 completely unaccounted for (I have more to say on this, again, this is just my emergency cliffnote version, I will be elaborating on this)
-Pooky didn't apply any of his mastina policies to me this game (I have more to say on this, again, this is just my emergency cliffnote version, I will be elaborating on this)
-Pooky has felt like he's doing to me what he thinks I do to him when I am scum (I have more to say on this, again, this is just my emergency cliffnote version, I will be elaborating on this)
-Pooky's been fairly hypocritical today doing the very thing he accused DKKoba of having done previously (I have more to say on this, again, this is just my emergency cliffnote version, I will be elaborating on this)
-Pooky's adamancy in Milobird being town vanished overnight with DKKoba flipping town (I have more to say on this, again, this is just my emergency cliffnote version, I will be elaborating on this)
-Pooky's projecting pretty hard (I have more to say on this, again, this is just my emergency cliffnote version, I will be elaborating on this)

Probably more but again, this is not a good post to use, this is just my emergency "if I don't get it in before deadline, remember that these were things I said" post, because they are actually pretty damn strong points.

Without the paranoia-on-Milobird paired with the mechanical doubts, the reasons I have actually would push the Pooky read to ~90-95% certainty. It's just that thanks to the mechanical doubts paired with the paranoia on Milobird, they're downgraded from basically-certain-scum into just Pooky-lean (~59%).

(for the record, mechanical doubts largely involve Gypyx interacting with a duo role + the Lunatone/Solrok synergy, again, things I want to investigate but alas, won't get the chance to, I probably should say more here too but given SirCakez already townreads Pooky overall more I don't think elaborating on the mechanical doubts is as important as elaborating on the lean for thinking why it's Pooky in spite of the mechanical doubts)

If scum are not multitasking by default, then whoever performed the scum kill would need to not be using their role.
imaginality had to use his role, so he couldn't do the nightkill without multitasking.
Dwlee was dead. Woolax was dead. Gypyx was dead.

So on N3, the only person who would actually use the nightkill would be the last scum, Pooky or Milobird.
And one of those two was Jailkept that night, with no kill happening then.

It should be noted before I go that Mastina has little reason to suspect or question pooky as scum. It would be easier for her just to let pooky lose the game for town. But that’s sort of conjecture. Just a random thought, but I sort of feel like I’m conf biasing there maybe.

-Bell

A) if she is scum I can rest peacefully knowing that this game isn’t my fault
B) Pookys push on us is actually awful (still waiting for him to provide examples instead of general statements)
C) Pooky literally hasn’t reevaluated once, which should tell you that he came into melo with the express decision to 1v1 off what everyone else said yesterday. He literally went and checked mastina posting frequency but hasn’t tried to point out EXACTLY where we are BSing.

Why would I re-evaluate when I've literally never been wrong on Mastina once.

That Pooky is saying this though is important to the Pooky lean.

Milo why did you abandon your mastina push? because I said I wouldn't vote her?

A) if she is scum I can rest peacefully knowing that this game isn’t my fault
B) Pookys push on us is actually awful (still waiting for him to provide examples instead of general statements)
C) Pooky literally hasn’t reevaluated once, which should tell you that he came into melo with the express decision to 1v1 off what everyone else said yesterday. He literally went and checked mastina posting frequency but hasn’t tried to point out EXACTLY where we are BSing.

I have no idea why you think my scum game has improved a single millimeter, the more likely argument is just that you can't backtrack and you're stuck.

Funnily enough your accuracy and propensity to be on scum wagons is a point against you because the rest of us look like clowns in comparison and towns tend to look more clownish as a result of their ignorance of who is and isn't scum.

e.g., Koba pushing at us and then 180'ing on to you because they sorted us.

Bookmarking this, as it is DOUBLY part of my Pooky lean.
(The second is Koba related.)

I still don't follow how town you comes to the conclusion that I'm harder to read than Mastina tho.
Like we're both equally terrible scum. So. Arguably I'm worse scum actually. It's one of the reasons I think you're scum Pooky, I don't think either of us have looked scummy this game from a bird's eye view.
I'm aware Notty disagreed, but like, yeah.

...No? Mastina isn't confirmed, so there's merit in it. I'm well aware that saying this stuff can piss them off and cause them to retaliate vote me. Still gunna do it.

Bookmarking this, as it is important to my Pooky lean.
(Also as a reminder, the post where I used reminder words like 'mirror'? Also part of the Pooky lean.)

I will point out that Mastina has been right on (2 or 3 eliminations this game?)

At the very least Mastina had more skin in the game.

I've had basically every slot as town/scum at some point, so you could say that I've had perfect reads, shit reads, or anywhere in-between the extremes, and you'd be right.
I'll say that I had Woolax, Gypyx, and imaginality as voteworthy the entire game tho, and that Dwlee was null before I deduced their role and thought it town.

This said, I've more to say on Pooky, actually somewhat related to my gamelong reads, but again, I need to be home for it.
(3 home things: defense, research, and the 3+1 point thingy. Mental note, is 'mirror'+'arrow'+'project' +1.)

So basically.

My concern on Pooky has to do a lot with his approach on slots in the game.

He didn't interact with me until D4, and even then, it was very brief:

its ok Mastina!town loves to vote for me she's like my biggest fan

Mastina only scumreads me when she's town
when she's scum her read of me is always "the towniest town to ever town"

This was on D4, after Wheme claimed the jailkeep on Pooky which at the time looked like a solid guilty.

mala titus mathblade cakes 10000% town
pooky milo mastina v town
some people r left over here

mala titus mathblade cakes all checked innos
pooky milo mastina are town af
koba chowchow I can't remember who else is playing

These are the next mentions of me.

lol wut
mastina is so far out of her scum range she couldn't find her way back to it with GPS

With this as the next.

You might remember that as a fairly recent post all things considered; I think that 5251 was a D8 post?

Suffice to say though, that Pooky's interactions with me are very very sparse.

Pooky didn't do

anything

that I would expect him to do.

Pooky normally takes a look at my readslists and does the inversion trick, trying to find the scum at the top of my readslist--and if he finds none, then he usually thinks (with a decent degree of accuracy) that the reason why is that I am scum.

More than that, Pooky has been steadfast that I'm town and out of my scum range.

That's true

now

, but it wasn't at the time Pooky was first interacting with me.

It wasn't until we eliminated imaginality that I was really out of my scum range--that was what, D4? D5? Somewhere around there.

Before that, my post count was actually fairly low, and so too was the amount of content I was posting.

Yet I wasn't absent entirely.

I was there, I was posting, I was around, but I wasn't the strongly-town self that I am now.

Why didn't Pooky interact with me? He always checks my readslists to invert them; he's not done that once this game.
If Pooky thought I was scum, that'd be one thing--because my readslists as scum tend to be more accurate.
But Pooky didn't think I was scum; he thought I was town. NOW it's obvious--but why did he think it back

before

it was obvious? Why was I not scum to him? I wasn't out of my scumrange yet at the time.
Pooky didn't comment or interact with me basically at all.

Pooky has his own meta standards for reading me, but didn't use them at all this game. The closest was him going "mastina's always wrong on me so her saying I'm scum means I'm town", but that in of itself was a bit disingenuous because I've got a perfect track record of reading Pooky when I am scum, and Pooky didn't say I was town when commenting on my scumread on him. Why was there none of the usual work from Pooky that he shows on me?

It's not due to this being a Large Theme with a lot of players--Pooky has done this to me when there's far far more players than there were in this game. Like, this is a 21-player game. By D2, it was an 18-player game.
18 players.

Pooky has definitely put the work into reading me when there was 17 players, and has also put in the work to read me when there were

twenty-four

players. (Pooky did not ignore me in DEFCON 5 the way he didn't interact with me in this game.)

New poe: {Pooky, Titus, Dwlee, KTT}

That said, the only name I'm not really interested in sheeping you on here is Kitty Trauma Team. Would vote the other three.

Why didn't Pooky notice this?

Does this meta apply to all days? In Owner's Market Blitz mastina only mentioned it as a D1 meta.

I was under the impression it was a D1 tell that Pooky has never bussed a scumbuddy on D1 before.
Past D1, I would assume he

has

, although I'd expect it to still be a rarity, but I've no way of really knowing for sure.

Ralts/PookytheMagicalBear

imaginality
The Goat/Titus
T3
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension
Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald

(did a slight reordering of the nulls to be more accurate since chowchow is the towniest and Pooky the least townie of them, and also have a couple promoted reads, but mostly the same here)

Why didn't Pooky have anything to say about this?

So removing that, it leaves:
Save The Dragons
Wisdom
imaginality
WhemeStar
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
Malakittens / Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
PookyTheMagicalBear / Ralts
DkKoba Thestatusquo (has roleclaimed but this roleclaim doesn't affect my read)

From there, I still have a townread on STD and Wisdom (I realize this isn't universal) and think that Malakittens and DKKoba are still less likely to be scum from play alone.

Which leaves my personal initial "PoE" (it's not really one since some of the names here aren't so much scumreads as much as "I personally cannot get a read there RIGHT NOW even if others can and think the slot is town") as:
{imaginality, WhemeStar, chowchow, Pooky} for 2 scum remaining.

Why did Pooky have nothing to say about my POE here which included him?

While I briefly had Pooky as a vote and he commented on me then, why did he say nothing when I then locked him as town?

I was locking him as town.

Pooky has, previously, treated me locking him as town as basically a scumclaim.

Why didn't he do so here?

Pooky hasn't reevaluated or reassessed me, in spite of there being classic red flags he's previously associated with my scumgame. Yes, I am NOW out of my scumrange--but Pooky never had a thought about me being scum during the times PRIOR to me being outside of my scumrange. Why was I

never

in consideration for being scum to Pooky?

It's as if Pooky is doing the very thing he says I do to him when I am scum.
He describes it as, "when mastina is scum, she always has me as the towniest town to have ever towned, but when mastina is town she has me as scum".

Well, Pooky this game has had me as the towniest town to have ever towned, but when he is town, he has previously not shown this attitude as far as I can remember.

Pooky has also done the very thing he accused DKKoba of doing.
Remember when Pooky accused DKKoba of changing reads on who was locktown vs who was lockscum on D8 compared to D9?

He did the

exact

thing on D9 he accused DKKoba of having done on D8.

this is also the viability i keep in when thinking of pooky/mastina being scum and its part of why theyre eliminated from being scum. that just isnt reasonable for them to let imaginality be so bad and throw as godfather.

scum koba can't keep track of all the lies they tell rofl

i learned something new about your scum meta between then and now
prove your scum meta has coaching and maybe you might have a point but I know for a fact that there are scum games where you let your scumbuds do whatever even if its terrible

ITT koba swears up and down they r spewed town by themselves

Excuse me, but what's wrong with this tactic.

its nonsensical gibberish.

you have the same scumtells as SS being allergic to certain lines of discussion its funny :3
at least youll spew out a little bullshit about stuff but you are too afraid to go in depth at all

lol at koba giving up and deciding to try to convict ralts

its still your slot buddy

I can't find the quote I was looking for, but Pooky basically said that DKKoba was, after STD was dead, opening up mislims by changing their read on players.

Pooky proceeded to do precisely that today.

Pooky has shown some hypocrisy in his reads by projecting things that he says they are doing when he has done the exact same thing.

Like, I can quote all of Pooky's reasons for Milobird being town, and they are quite extensive:

its not milobird

bell way out of scum range

koba is the last possible baddie

I've literally never misread bell in my life

there's no way he suddenly went from "unable to post as scum" to "top posting god scum bell"

it's literally just koba

This is my first post here today

you're voting for me
you're bad
have fun losing

What happened to the certainty that Pooky has never misread Bell before?

What happened to Pooky's defense of Milobird?

What happened to Milobird being hard-cleared?

And why did Pooky decide that Milobird was less clear than me come today?

Yes

, someone would need to be scum--but what makes me be more-town to Pooky than Milobird?

What makes me be so unscum to Pooky compared to Milobird who Pooky has apparently never misread before and yet Pooky is claiming that Milobird is the last scum?

Why didn't Pooky think that I could be scum? Pooky is less familiar, less intimately knowledgeable, about my play compared to Milobird's play.
Why didn't Pooky keep the townread on Milobird and think that I could be scum?
Why didn't Pooky reassess both of us? If Pooky came to the conclusion after reassessing that I couldn't be scum, that'd be one thing--but Pooky never did this reassessment at all. Pooky never once did this work to sort me.

Pooky just had me as town, and had Milobird as town, and then shifted the read on Milobird without one iota of effort to focus on me.
Yes, Pooky put in work to defend me from Milobird--but that was Pooky going out of his way to prove that I am town.
Not Pooky figuring out that I am town.

The difference between the two is going out of your way to prove I am town means you are already assuming or know I am town;
Figuring out I am town means you are sorting me as town and showing your work.

Pooky did the former, of defending me as town, not the latter, of sorting me as town.

When it comes to incentives, this fits more with Pooky-scum than Pooky-town.

Pooky-town has a drive to not get things wrong.
Pooky-town has a drive to be right.

Why, if Pooky is town, does this drive to be right mean absolutely zero thought given to my alignment with literally all of it being defense of me that presupposes I am already town? It doesn't make sense for Pooky to have NOT sorted me at all. (Basically, put it another way: Milobird's approach here is actually the townier of the two because Milobird

isn't

locked into one player being the final scum and is considering both.)

But as scum, there's a very obvious incentive:
Pooky does not want to 1v1 me.
Pooky

might

win that 1v1, sure--but it's

easier

for Pooky to win the 1v1 versus Milobird.
Not easy, mind you. A 1v1 versus me is gonna be hell, and a 1v1 versus Milobird made up of Bell and notscience is going to be nightmarish, so no matter what, it's going to be difficult.

But given the choice between the two, Milobird is by far the easier person to 1v1. Bell is many things; charismatic is not among them. notscience is also fairly lackluster in the convincing others field.

I can do a better job of defending Milobird than Milobird can; I can write a better case for Pooky being scum than Milobird can. So like...Pooky knows that Milobird is, while not EASY to mislim, compared to me, EASIER to mislim.

As scum, I see the incentive clear as day; focus on eliminating the player who is less of a pain in the ass to verse, especially given the other townies' stances.

I was scumreading Milobird so would be receptive to Milobird being scum;
SirCakez has townread Pooky the entire game so would be receptive to Milobird being scum and SirCakez has previously scumread Milobird.

In contrast SirCakez has continued to insist I am town at every stage in the game and while Milobird has had one half think I am scum the other half has contested that. Meaning a push on me would be an entire order of magnitude harder to maintain.

It's easier for Pooky to not suspect me, because Pooky suspecting me makes me more likely to OMGUS him. Pooky knows this. He knows I will OMGUS people with burden of proficiencying them--so he would know that if he suspected me, I'd pick up on it being bullshit.

Pooky said "why would I reevaluate mastina when I've never been wrong on mastina once", but that logic doesn't hold given he's also never been wrong on Bell once--yet clearly has reevaluated Bell.
Why the reevaluation on Bell who Pooky has never been wrong on, but NOT a reevaluation on ME who Pooky has never been wrong on?

Pooky's reasons for townreading me also are not the normal ones. Pooky's inventing excuses it seems like to NOT suspect me, rather than displaying his normal tells.

And the point about Pooky not pointing out why people are scum is valid.

Pooky said that it was DKKoba just because it was DKKoba. That was it. Pooky said that I was town and that Milobird was town so there was an implicit "DKKoba is scum because nobody else can be", but Pooky did not go into explaining the read at all. Pooky didn't investigate, didn't look, didn't assess, DKKoba's alignment critically. Pooky just went "lol ur scum" to DKKoba.

And after DKKoba flipped town? Now Pooky is doing the exact same thing to Milobird. There is an implicit "Milobird is scum because nobody else can be", but Pooky does not explain the read at all. Pooky isn't investigating, isn't assessing, things critically. Pooky's just shading what Milobird is doing, saying "lol this is scum" to it.

Yet Bell was on-point:
Pooky was previously on record as saying Bell

could

not

be this good as scum.
Pooky said that Bell was fundamentally incapable of being this as scum.
Pooky insisted that Bell literally couldn't do what Bell has done this game as scum.

And yet today that all went out the window...why?

Again, I can't see the town motivation for throwing the Bell meta specifically out the window without having thrown out the mastina meta as well. Why discard the accurate read on Milobird without discarding the accurate read on mastina?

I CAN see the scum motivation--having no choice but to choose a 1v1 to enter and deciding Milobird was easier than mastina.

Milobird is also right that Pooky's accuracy here is precisely an issue.

Again.

Pooky has been VERY accurate.

Pooky has a basically flawless record at reading both me and Bell.

Pooky, as town, SHOULD be accurate enough to have

never made the mistaken read in the first place

.
If Pooky is town, then he was wrong on a read that he should NEVER have been wrong on in the first place.
Either he should never have townread me, or he should never have townread Bell. But he townread both--which fits with the typical Pooky as town expectation. It's expected that Pooky as town would know our alignments here and get them right. So how did he get the alignment wrong on Milobird in the first place if he's town?

I struggle to see it.

Whereas if he's scum, it's clear as day; he gave the correct read for as long as was possible, and then only when there was no other option did he switch it from the previous correct (and expected) read into the wrong (but necessary) read.

And again--why was Pooky right on me but wrong on Milobird?
Why was Pooky sure he couldn't have made a mistake on me?

I've had plenty of town players be wrong on my alignment before when expecting to be right on it. Thinking I was town when I wasn't, or vice-versa. In spite of their prior usual accuracy. Why no paranoia on me

at all

? Why not a single iota of thought that I could maybe potentially be scum, at any stage?

So again, Milobird was right--Milobird investigating me is something that could make me more likely to vote them.
Pooky defending me, pocketing me, is something that would make me less likely to vote him.
If I expect people to be right on me, and I expect all three of Pooky/Bell/notscience to read me correctly, then the playerslot who did so is more likely to seem town to me.

But Pooky's play here looks like it is deliberately exploiting that tendency, that trait, of mine.


I'm sorry, this is a mess, probably missing a bunch, probably overlooking things, but like:
This, plus the jailkeep on Pooky, plus the general lack of townness from Pooky, all contribute to thinking that Pooky looks quite scum. DKKoba raised many valid points about Pooky and I probably should've quoted more of those, too, but it all adds up.

In contrast, the only reasons I can think of for Milobird to be scum are specifically reasons Pooky wouldn't be scum. Milobird has nothing by play to be scum here. The only reason for Milobird to be scum here is if Pooky couldn't be scum here, essentially.

Again, there's enough things that indicate Pooky might be "couldn't be scum" to prevent this gigantic post from being more than a Pooky lean.

I do mean it, it's ~59% Pooky and not more.

But I feel it important to say this much.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I'm gunna take a break for today and read stuff to relax I haven't taken a day off in awhile.
Just focus on Notty. I genuinely don't think what I'm saying is helping any.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Cakez-

Pooky managed to walk back Borks and my dunk scumread on him via neighborhood in Day 3 of Mountain Dew mafia.

Despite my insistence they stop hiding in the PT.

So, yeah.

[Milobird]

Also, friendly reminder that we wouldn’t have wasted a kill on a dead target. The numbers work out so that by killing someone else out of the elim pool (say, someone who is a protective) we set ourselves on an easier path to endgame. Either the kill was blocked or scum doubled up on TIL, both of which point to the bear.

[SirCakez]

I would strongly recommend that you vote Pooky and focus on your finals.
This is simply too much cognitive load on top of that.'

Yes I know me saying that is annoying. Saying it anyway because I genuinely think that will help you.

-Bell

this argument is pretty filthy but also convincing

[SirCakez]

but I want to wait to do the vote until after I'm done w finals Monday because when I put it down I'm going to be obsessively in this thread for a long period of time and I don't have time for that right now

[SirCakez]

I don't put too much water into that Mastina wall bc she was wrong on me like all game

[Milobird]

Hey Cakez

Not to be that guy, but if you’ve been wrong most of the game what does that mean of your hero solve…

[Milobird]

As a side note, Pooky was saying we planned to use this roleblocker offense the whole time.

Why did we just now bring it up then if that was our plan the whole time? And forget about it altogether for days? Isn’t it much more likely I reread things and found something that didn’t add up?

[SirCakez]

I wasn't wrong all game what are you talking about
My big miss was Koba other than that most of my scumreads and townreads were right

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

god that was a good dinner

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

back to debunking nonsense lies yay

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

As a side note, Pooky was saying we planned to use this roleblocker offense the whole time.

Why did we just now bring it up then if that was our plan the whole time? And forget about it altogether for days? Isn’t it much more likely I reread things and found something that didn’t add up?

Because your AtE and other nonsense that you used at the beginning of the day didn't work.

If it worked and Cakes voted me you wouldn't need to bring this shit up now.

You're literally just using random bullshit arguments one after another.

Volume over quality

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I would strongly recommend that you vote Pooky and focus on your finals.
This is simply too much cognitive load on top of that.'

Yes I know me saying that is annoying. Saying it anyway because I genuinely think that will help you.

-Bell

this argument is pretty filthy but also convincing

If you boil down to the essence of this AtE.

all it says is "Pooky is mafia"

There's no substance to this statement whatsoever.

Except he reframes the AtE to be about you.

He wants you to feel good about voting me.

It's pretty much designed to make you feel happy/comfy because he knows you're feeling uncomfortable about the vote

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm gunna take a break for today and read stuff to relax I haven't taken a day off in awhile.
Just focus on Notty. I genuinely don't think what I'm saying is helping any.

-Bell

Notice how when Bell signs off suddenly Notty is magically here to start talking?

It's like they are working on shifts to nonstop batter you with posts and soften you up.

Relentless lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im going to go eat a nice meal and enjoy my weekend

have fun regurgitating the same debunked bullshit from last week

maybe if you spam enough garbage into this thread sircakes will finally break

good luck !

Sircakez, does this seem like something Town Pooky would say.

-Bell

I am tired from debunking your shit.

You have spewed so much spam into this thread that it is barely recognizeable.

You keep throwing shit at a wall hoping something will stick and break through because you know you pretty much have nothing solid.

You are hoping to win by just relentlessly spamming and gaslighting the fuck out of SirCakes.

You spent the entire fucking game bashing him for daring to possibly think you could be scum.

Now that he told you to fuck off, you've decided to moderate your tone and talk about how amazing Sir Cakes will feel if he would just vote for Pooky.

It's transparently obvious to anyone who actually takes the time to back up and think about the type of AtE you are using.

[Milobird]

im going to go eat a nice meal and enjoy my weekend

have fun regurgitating the same debunked bullshit from last week

maybe if you spam enough garbage into this thread sircakes will finally break

good luck !

Sircakez, does this seem like something Town Pooky would say.

-Bell

I am tired from debunking your shit.

You have spewed so much spam into this thread that it is barely recognizeable.

You keep throwing shit at a wall hoping something will stick and break through because you know you pretty much have nothing solid.

You are hoping to win by just relentlessly spamming and gaslighting the fuck out of SirCakes.

You spent the entire fucking game bashing him for daring to possibly think you could be scum.

Now that he told you to fuck off, you've decided to moderate your tone and talk about how amazing Sir Cakes will feel if he would just vote for Pooky.

It's transparently obvious to anyone who actually takes the time to back up and think about the type of AtE you are using.

You're bein' toxic bro.
and also yeah, he will feel good if he votes you and wins the game.
Is there something false in that statement Pooky?

-Bell

[Milobird]

I personally feel he would be better off mentally if he voted you now.
I was in college and played mafia and I had to stop half way for self-preservation. I genuinely think he would be better off.
I actually don't think he should hammer us if he plans to hammer us because that could mess up his grades too.

The arguments gross, but it's also true. It's also something I wouldn't say as scum because I would feel bad and as you've been happy to point out,
I'm not willing to make these sorts of arguments of win as scum which is one of the reasons my scum game sucks. But I'm perfectly happy making these arguments as town because I really do want Sircakez to get this albatross off of him.

Pooky timer saver: AtE, wifom.
-Bell