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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Having trouble sleeping so I decided to write this down because it annoys me and it's been bouncing around my head.




Let's take a look at what has to be true if I am mafia here.

I replaced into this game. Talked to SC, and decided to vig my mafia teammate.

Instead of say convincing SC to shoot someone else and then shoot SC with the mafia nightkill to hide the crime, I decided to pick my own backup godfather and shoot him in the face.

That doesn't really make sense to me as something I would do.

Now Bell is jumping up and down and saying that not only did I do this, it's something "I've always wanted to do" because Peta did it to me once in a game a while ago.



Does that make sense to anyone?

For one thing that setup where peta did this was an open setup with no cops, no investigatives, no docs, no prs at all IN A MARATHON MICRO GAME.

So you could bus-vig your own teammate for the lulz and win on the towncred cuz you don't have to really worry about clears etc fucking you up and nobody is going to stop and think in a MARATHON MICRO GAME.

this is a large theme game with multiple power roles that can clear players and mafia got elimmed on day 1. It's not even at all comparable in terms of strategy or planning.



For another thing. I am not Peta fucking Pan. We are literally night and day in terms of how we play the game. If you read my scum games and you read Peta's scum games, you might notice we look nothing alike in terms of how we play the fucking game.

This is just a personal preference thing. I don't think the way Peta plays is wrong, I just don't have very much fun playing that way and honestly my scum win rate is pretty good so I don't see why I would need to change my playstyle to something I don't enjoy.



Which brings up my second point.

From your point of view: one of me/Bell have broken our meta. Either I started bussing or Bell started posting as scum. One of those things happened.

Your goal is to figure out which of us broke meta.

Let's talk about why meta gets broken, who between the two of us actually has incentive to change their scum game?

Is it me, the guy who actually has a good scum win rate? Or is it Bell, the guy who has a terrible scum win rate?

Do you think Bell enjoys being the butt of every joke where he gets laughed at for being easy to read and insta-yeeted every time he rolls red? Do you think he's so bad at scum that he's literally incapable of making even the most token and easy changes to his play to not be yeetbait?

Look at what Bell has done this entire game. He's basically not even doing townie shit, his interactions are garbage, the only thing that's kept him alive is that he's actually posted a decent amount[mostly garbage] and he puffs up and angrily proclaims "I'm town you fucking idiot how could you possibly think I'm mafia" every time someone suspects him.

It's toxic but kind of effective because everyone apparently thinks Scum!Bell can't possibly be angry at them or w/e.

Is there actually a good reason to townread him? When I asked him what reason there should even be to townread him. He replied "every post I make is a town post". Which is basically a cop-out answer that you use because you can't actually think of a townie fucking thing you've done the entire game.

The only time he even pretended to "solve" was when he was already locked into a 1v1 with me.

His arguments about why I'm scum are so comically bad - I have flushed better cases down the fucking toilet.

His AtE is full of emotional inconsistency but I guess he's made the needed adjustment to going all out on suck-up mode now that Cakes told him that "flame mode" wasn't working.



I am tired of playing this game. I am tired of responding to hundreds of spam posts per day. I am tired in general. I play this game for fun and this game stopped being fun quite a while ago.

I have done literally everything humanly possible that could be expected to bring this home for the town but if that's not enough I guess it's just not enough cuz I don't have much more spoons to give.

Maybe this will change if Bell/Notty decide to piss me off at some point tomorrow. I hope they don't and this just ends because this is such a pain in the fucking ass to play.

Which is yet another reason why I don't bus my entire team and go "deep wolf", because it's not fun and I play this game for fun not win rate - I don't even give a shit about win rate.

[Milobird]

1. Pooky Pocket. Role design actively encourages you to fool SC. Petapan story, It's called motive. You have a motive to kill Gyphx because, as firebringer brought up day 2. We were gunna kill Gyphx the next day anyway~ Also yeah, you wanted to do it because you keep bringing it up to people randomly on the street! It's exactly like a dude bragging about planning to kill someone in a bar one of these days. The context argument can be used for almost *any game* that doesn't have the exact same set up it's relatively easy to debunk.
2. You lied about coaching Gyphx in tenet. It was mostly Cabd and LLD nagging them.
3. Correct me if I'm wrong but Firebringer said they cleared Sircakez but didn't say how they did, but Pooky said they had essentially claimed cop and anyone would kill them in their position. So why did Pooky insist that he would never kill COP FB in 20,000 years after he was shot for clearing someone? It's because he felt like he needed to shore his own position up with self-meta when it *didn't make any sense to do so given Fb's role* given Pooky presumed he was cop or something.
4. Um. You get made fun of regularly for not bussing your partners. You recently broke meta by bussing Dunnstrall. Your busses this game outside of shooting Gyphx were blank "Vote scum partner" that had zero weight or reasoning attached to these votes. These were votes that convince no one to follow you.
5. Nobody said you were Petapan? So, I don't know what you're getting at. Er, and yet here you are steadily getting fake angrier in an attempt to win by making other player's uncomfortable voting you in case the anger is real and it gets directed toward them.
6. This is my town game tho. I keep saying this and it's true. I am obvious town and I say that a lot *when I'm actually town* and I have a lot of games backing that up and my reaction to it. This is why I posted the Grayice post which noted how obnoxious this is of me to do. You're pretty much doing the same thing here. But I already put this under "Pooky, politescum variant, choosing ethical arguments rather than choosing to solve #2"
7. Yes! I'm that bad at scum because I keep losing! If it were something I could fix easily I would've fixed it by now! Also, are...are you saying this is a token change? Because this contradicts a whole bunch of posts you made early and mid game, and even in elo. *psyduck*
8. Woah there. every post I make is townie shit because I'm town, so every post I make is a town post.
9. Uh, I don't actually think this is the case. I even have games of being fake angry at people as scum. Though my approach to that anger is entirely different to how I use my anger here is more nuanced (I think) than how I use it as scum which is less comple.
10. Um. I jumped on Gyphx first. I defended a bunch of players and made cases for them. I had some actual solving before elo? So did Notty? This isn't the first time I've used the I'm town so every post I make is town argument as town even.
11. Uh, are there good reasons to town read anyone. Most cases aren't rigorously good. This is why I like the replaceout argument because it *is* rigorously good.
12. Um. No pretty sure according to you I pretended to solve for Mastina first as a song and dance but I was only pretending to solve there before pretending to solve for Ralts, Imaginality, etc nd their motivations before getting to trying to solve for you. This is a notable contrast to you *who never even pretended to solve* and pretty much went sure we were town and that Koba was scum, to being sure that we were scum and Mastina is town with nothing inbetween point A and point B.
13. Caught for the wrong reasons. I'll do better next time. But I'm happy you agree that you're scum for Notty's arguments and are ignoring those in this giant heap of a wifom argument and never addressing Mastina getting killed or how *actually insane* your argument was for why we killed her.
14. You keep saying I'm sucking up to Sircakez, when it's pretty clear that, this is what you've been doing, >.> All game. I already explained my emotional path through this game. Something you aren't directly addressing but instead making appeals to the stone arguments, an informal logical fallacy.
15. It's a good thing I'm town nd have infinite enthusiasm so I've been enjoying myself pretty much throughout this whole ordeal, except for the times I got *super* frustrated at SC, Titus and you. Overall I've had a good time I think. I like being town and got to do town stufff this game, so I can't complain. Also this back and forth has been pretty fun in some ways. Though I'm not sure I'm learning much given I don't really like how you're choosing to argue as scum.
16. No you haven't done everything possible to bring this home for the town. that was us, throwing every conceivable argument at you which you've spent destroying. You've primarily focused on deconstructing my slf-aare AtE than showing why we're scum. You even asked if there's a good reason to town read me, when *you* town read me most of the game, which means you didn't have a reason to town read me in the first place, which points to scum you *again* and also shows that you weren't hunting *again* because otherwise you would be familiar with what I've done and haven't done that would make me look town or scum like. Also It's easier to destroy than create.
17. You keep fake acting mad.
18. "I don't care about winning" "I have done everything humanly possible to bring home this game for the town" Um. You seemed to be having a lot of fun open wolfing at the start. Remember the good times Pooky.

-Bell

[Milobird]

You've demonstrated a willingnss to change and a capability to change recently, while I haven't. This would also be a major change for me given one of my weaknesses is an inability to make personal or professional sacrifices for my scum games, activity, issues, etc.

So like, something changed for you. Because you played different recently and you played different here. Though I think you gave away a bunch more clues that you were scum this game.
But you were still role blocked and your argument to the contrary isn't very good. Imo.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Uh, also fake solving.
And a million other things I'm bad at as scum.

-Bell

[Milobird]

There actually is stuff between point A and point B, in that Koba flipped. That was shoddy reasoning on my part and it's 2AM so I have a cool and good excuse for it. What I meant is there wasn't much like a process or natural transition Pooky just went from A to B to C because it was the most direct path to victory.

Also Pooky kept insisting that the role block thing had already been settled even after Sircakez and Titus showed unfamiliarity with the topic showing his argument to be false. So that's dishonest of him. which adds into the Pooky is dishonest scum that never admits fault on his own angle. He also didn't have any confidence or interest in explaining what happened to you guys and allowing you to figure it out yourself.
Nor has he brought up any self-meta that would be inconvenient to him. Please note how honest I've been and how I've been much more willing to present my arguments as flawed than Pooky has.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I think in the future, I'm just gunna keep on arguing for people to cross vote each other. I'm not really digging this "I must convince this guy that the player I know now is scum, is scum"
I'd have had a much more fun time figuring out whether it was Mastina or Pooky than this. Though, it was clear which way I was leaning. It still would have been a pleasant exercise.
Then again. I did do that. But I've now spent significantly more time arguing that scum is scum than I have solving for scum.
Rip.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

stop spam posting you fucking scumbag

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

all you fucking do this entire game is bury it under so much fucking garbage spam that nobody wants to fucking read it

its literally disgusting

[Milobird]

Two things

1) Good luck cakeboy

2) let’s take a look at things that would be true if we were mafia here-
We chose to ultimately waste an extra kill when down three players despite fully understanding how a role works instead of shooting at the already claimed rolestopper or any of the confirmed town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It really fucking annoys me that I write one post and Bell responds with 5 posts and now I feel like I need to respond to his posts with more posts


and then he will respond with even more posts

and then there will be so much garbage fucking spam in this thread everyoen will just not read it

cuz that's literally his entire fucking plan

just spam spam spam spam spam this thread full of utter fucking garbage and pretend it smells like roses or some shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Two things

1) Good luck cakeboy

2) let’s take a look at things that would be true if we were mafia here-
We chose to ultimately waste an extra kill when down three players despite fully understanding how a role works instead of shooting at the already claimed rolestopper or any of the confirmed town.

this is literally the 5000th time he's repeated the same bullshit point because all he can do is spam

[Milobird]

Nah, I’m just forcing your hand to make you try and play the “ignore the mech” game

Seems to be working! And you have YET to provide a sufficient response

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i sufficiently responded to your shit case already

you know i did because immediately after i responded you buried my response under 200 posts of ate

you r literally a degenerate spammer

[SirCakez]

Holy fucking shit
Whoever the scum is here is getting a Don Corleone nom from me

[SirCakez]

I've seen posts from both of y'all that I'm convinced could not be written if you were scum
But SOMEONE HAS TO BE

[SirCakez]

1) Good luck cakeboy

Thanks I sure fucking need it (for my final and for this vote lol)

[Milobird]

i sufficiently responded to your shit case already

you know i did because immediately after i responded you buried my response under 200 posts of ate

you r literally a degenerate spammer

“It’s not a waste Bc it helps you ME someone” is a bad argument considering all the loopholes in it, which we’d have to expect if we made that choice in the first place and wild much more readily choose the easier option of removing the claimed protective

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i sufficiently responded to your shit case already

you know i did because immediately after i responded you buried my response under 200 posts of ate

you r literally a degenerate spammer

“It’s not a waste Bc it helps you ME someone” is a bad argument considering all the loopholes in it, which we’d have to expect if we made that choice in the first place and wild much more readily choose the easier option of removing the claimed protective

1. the cop was already getting strongmanned so the protective wasn't even a priority for you, the cop is.

2. you can always just shoot the protective later

3. finding the roleblocker is pretty important

4. you get a mis-elim off the fake guilty most of the time. It just happened to be on me and cakes saved me from dying. I remember your buddy imaginality raging pretty fucking hard over that.

5. if you actually win the game off the fake guilty now it's obviously worth it for you.

6. you continue to claim its suboptimal but its pretty clearly NOT SUBOPTIMAL if it gets you the win right here. So your suboptimal thing is just a total fucking lie.

[Milobird]

It really fucking annoys me that I write one post and Bell responds with 5 posts and now I feel like I need to respond to his posts with more posts


and then he will respond with even more posts

and then there will be so much garbage fucking spam in this thread everyoen will just not read it

cuz that's literally his entire fucking plan

just spam spam spam spam spam this thread full of utter fucking garbage and pretend it smells like roses or some shit

Yeah. You do this too. So it doesn’t annoy you when you do it.

Also, goddamn you have 6 counter arguments to why scum would double shoot and all of them are absolutely ridiculous. Why would we shoot a dude again if we knew it was super likely to fail?
We needed to find the role blocker? Well, it worked out didn’t it?
Wut.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Like you did it on the last page. You’ve also said bell’s posts are garbage a hundred times, creating a metric ton of garbage yourself. That is even more contentless than the person you’re complaining about. *psyduck*

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It really fucking annoys me that I write one post and Bell responds with 5 posts and now I feel like I need to respond to his posts with more posts


and then he will respond with even more posts

and then there will be so much garbage fucking spam in this thread everyoen will just not read it

cuz that's literally his entire fucking plan

just spam spam spam spam spam this thread full of utter fucking garbage and pretend it smells like roses or some shit

Yeah. You do this too. So it doesn’t annoy you when you do it.

Also, goddamn you have 6 counter arguments to why scum would double shoot and all of them are absolutely ridiculous. Why would we shoot a dude again if we knew it was super likely to fail?
We needed to find the role blocker? Well, it worked out didn’t it?
Wut.

-Bell

I AM LITERALLY RESPONDING TO YOUR FUCKING POSTS

I AM NOT TRYING TO SPAM DELIBERATELY

I WRITE ONE FUCKING POST AND YOU RESPOND WITH FIVE POSTS

YOUR ENTIRE GAME PLAN IS SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM LIKE NO TOMMORROW SO NOBODY CAN READ ANY OF THIS SHIT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like you did it on the last page. You’ve also said bell’s posts are garbage a hundred times, creating a metric ton of garbage yourself. That is even more contentless than the person you’re complaining about. *psyduck*

-Bell

BECAUSE THE POSTS I AM RESPONDING TO ARE LITERALLY FUCKING CONTENTLESS

[SirCakez]

Thinking thinking thinking

[SirCakez]

I guess one thing worth considering here is that the scum is probably just as pissed as whoever the town is here so the AtE doesn't mean much

[Titus]

Agreed