Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Taly]

i like colorful beaks

but i'm a gentleman sorry taly

i shouldve in'd as a lady jewewersgefe

now i actually have to PROPOSE

[Firebringer]

taly having to propose because taly is always so slow to decide on voting anyone. so we might all be paired by time taly decides lol

[Firebringer]

okay i need to seriously get back to work.

[Taly]

wait should i leave the dance when my pair is made?

[Datisi]

it feels somewhat natural for me to go from "wow, i have so many scumreads in the gentlemen" to "haha, wouldn't be surprised if all scum are in there".

eh, this is the disconnect. That latter thought is Always Wrong, you should be Extremely Surprised if all scum are in there, even if you have like an absurd amount of confidence in your reads

do you usually take things so literally in mafia? i don't remember you doing that as town

like, even if i were scumreading a couple of gents and said "damn, wouldn't be surprised if all are in there", it wouldn't mean that i literally would not be surprised, it would just be a way to use colourful language to speak my read on the gamestate. obviously i can't claim andante was doing that, but i don't think it's too difficult to assume that someone *could* be doing that, so...

[Taly]

taly having to propose because taly is always so slow to decide on voting anyone. so we might all be paired by time taly decides lol

literally what could happen here

[marcistar]

speaking of scum have big incentive to partner with scum.
LLD said she wanted to. And bearing with the flame i will get for saying it.
I don't want her paired with Taly at all.

i wouldnt mind if lld x taly was a thing, but i think lld is a strong town player and if scum chooses to kill that pair it would be kinda sad

it feels somewhat natural for me to go from "wow, i have so many scumreads in the gentlemen" to "haha, wouldn't be surprised if all scum are in there".

eh, this is the disconnect. That latter thought is Always Wrong, you should be Extremely Surprised if all scum are in there, even if you have like an absurd amount of confidence in your reads

i like datisis side of this argument, it seems reasonable to think that way.

[catboi]

speaking of scum have big incentive to partner with scum.
LLD said she wanted to. And bearing with the flame i will get for saying it.
I don't want her paired with Taly at all.

It would be -EV for her to pair with the IC as scum. But she doesn't have agency in the choice so it doesn't mean much to me.

Is improbable speculation a sign of a mafia alignment? This feels like a gotcha more than a legitimate line of inquiry.

not necessarily, that's why I used a motivating example and get a response from Andante. It's not a 'gotcha' it's a "is this

actually

what you think?". If absolutely nothing else I'd want Andante to look harder at the other ladies, because it's almost guaranteed at least one scum is a lady.

I don't like that you're acting like I was straight up pushing Andante over this, rather than interpreting my post as trying to sort her.

*shrug* I'm calling it like I see it, it looked like cheap tactics to me. Call out someone expressing a ridiculous belief, say "you can't actually believe this! It's improbable!", use that as basis for suspicion. I don't think someone suggesting an improbable scenario is more likely to be scum, at least in the early game.

[Prism]

Taly, I volunteer to get nightkilled with you.

Cons:
-That PT empty, YEET

Pros:
-Prevents me from vigging town
-The dead PT will be lit

[catboi]

wait should i leave the dance when my pair is made?

What? No. Shouldn't be a consideration at all in first dance.

[Ydrasse]

okay i’m not in the right headspace to think right now but @taly what do you think about this, isis was the ic in the last game

Subject: Epilogue! - [Endgame]

BTW among the setup abuse +EV things I want to do this game is that I want my dance partner to prod dodge in the game thread and play in the dance PT to wifom the NK
That didn't happen in wolf dance but I want it to happen.
My dance PT will be plenty fun on its own we will play chess and twenty questions and I will bring you crossword puzzles

[GuiltyLion]

not necessarily, that's why I used a motivating example and get a response from Andante.

so, what did you get from her response?

honestly not a whole lot. I kinda like the 'dgaf' attitude like I don't feel any self-consciousness about the Bad Math from her. I gutlike that she's pushing back on you saying it was bad faith too, I don't get a sense that she wants/needs to deflect me at all

the biggest thing I got out of this was a catboi scumread, 226 is both thoughtless and uncharitable

[Taly]

catBOI

, who do i propose to?

fiREEEE

, who do i propose to?

ALYSSA

, what is a strong play for an IC who proposes in a dance game?

[Taly]

Taly, I volunteer to get nightkilled with you.

Cons:
-That PT empty, YEET

Pros:
-Prevents me from vigging town
-The dead PT will be lit

lovely pros but would i actually get NKed if my reads are shit and/or you're scum?

[GuiltyLion]

Call out someone expressing a ridiculous belief, say "you can't actually believe this! It's improbable!", use that as basis for suspicion

the thing is, you're putting words in my mouth by assuming I would use that as a basis for suspicion. I might if she reacted in a way I didn't like, but I didn't even get a chance to think about her response or reflect on it before you started assuming I was acting in bad faith

[Datisi]

the biggest thing I got out of this was a catboi scumread, 226 is both thoughtless and uncharitable

how is that post different from what i said? didn't i basically say the same thing - that your post reads like a gotcha?

[Prism]

I'm not Taly but I don't know why you're emphatic about denying town any agency or input into the alignment of the IC's partner. I love Isis, it's an interesting idea, but practically it is terrible.

Games are difficult as scum because you have to account for the entire town table in aggregate, rather than just one player.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

You should find a partner that enables how you play the best

So that really depends

[Datisi]

i am sad that prism did not react to 222

[Prism]

lovely pros but would i actually get NKed if my reads are shit and/or you're scum?

I am doing the town a gigantic favor if I pair with the IC as scum.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

You should find a partner that enables how you play the best

So that really depends

I'm also assuming that town gets zero say in all the flips before intermission on this btw

[Prism]

(And the entire reason to think I would be scum in the first place would be my indirect avoidance of it w/ PT mechanics)

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Aggregate town, not individual town

[Taly]

I'm not Taly but I don't know why you're emphatic about denying town any agency or input into the alignment of the IC's partner. I love Isis, it's an interesting idea, but practically it is terrible.

Games are difficult as scum because you have to account for the entire town table in aggregate, rather than just one player.

im trying to gauge how much i should let others sway my pair decision

paired with limbait last time, we made elo, and they left due to paranoia, and town lost so

You should find a partner that enables how you play the best

So that really depends

but like youre high up on the charts there, ma'am

pedit

lovely pros but would i actually get NKed if my reads are shit and/or you're scum?

I am doing the town a gigantic favor if I pair with the IC as scum.

explain

[Cabd]

If nobody else wants the twinky catboy I do; dude's very obviously town and I want my early access pass into meowhalla.

Also for the lulz, may I humbly suggest a pairing endorsement of LLD with marci?

I'm pretty sure no matter their respective alignments, that PT would be extra butter movie popcorn worthy.