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Vote Count 6-3

QUEEN

No, be assured you shall not find me, daughter,
After the slander of most stepmothers,
Evil-eyed unto you: you're my prisoner, but
Your gaoler shall deliver you the keys
That lock up your restraint. For you, Posthumus,
So soon as I can win the offended king,
I will be known your advocate: marry, yet
The fire of rage is in him, and 'twere good
You lean'd unto his sentence with what patience
Your wisdom may inform you.

Bowser Jr.

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(4): Bowser Jr., Pavowski, Icebox, Skybird

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: December 22, Noon US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-12-22 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Dunnstral]

Dunn, how many scum do you think are left?

1

[Dunnstral]

What are we bluffing about?

~Spiffy

That it's fine if we eliminate you

[Bowser Jr.]

I just spent a month in a futile argument with Pooky to try and unpocket Cakez who proceeded to ignore a mech guilty. I really would rather not have to deal with another MELO slap fight.

Like I understand I said it in game so it is something that you can try to read but this is more “I don’t have spoons” than a bluff

If push comes to shove and I have to I have to. But I’d rather just die here if people are waffling on us.

[Skybird]

So real life is intruding on my game time tonight. I live in Wisconsin and we have some big storms going through.

But back to the game.

Dunn, why Bowser and not Pavowski?

[Skybird]

Pav, are you and Bowser talking in your hood?

[Bowser Jr.]

Please be careful skybird!

[Bowser Jr.]

There’s like six posts total. When it’s down to this many people it’s not a good idea to keep much discussion in a hood anyways.

[Pavowski]

Pav, are you and Bowser talking in your hood?

Not really. I just told him if he's scum after I've been townreading him all game I'd be pissed as hell

No posts there since Sat

[Pavowski]

Dunn, how many scum do you think are left?

1

If there's more than 1 scum alive right now I don't see how town wins tbh, and 5 scum in a 17 player game (that's what we started with right?) seems excessive

[Skybird]

Please be careful skybird!

Thanks, I will. So far the tornado warnings are to the south of me.

[Skybird]

I asked Dunn that because one of his posts made it sound like he thought there was more than one.

[Pavowski]

I asked Dunn that because one of his posts made it sound like he thought there was more than one.

Fair enough, I just kinda don't want to even think about the possibility

[Icebox]

@Dunn: Why aren't you scum?

[Icebox]

VOTE: Juliet Capulet

Hi Dunnstral

Why?

~Spiffy

I want things to happen but I don't have any strong enough opinions to make things happen so I will settle for this:

marci/Gamma and Pavowski feel good
Whemestar and kinda Galron and Child of Fairies feel ungood

Everyone else is irrelevant.

VOTE: Whemestar

~Spiffy

FUCK that was quick

~Spiffy

And guiltylion feels town, but I don't think I've crossed swords with him so that's like a 10% confidence read right now.

Furthermore, yeet.

I'd really like Juliet to come back and talk about her naked vote.

Guilty Lion, Pavowski both strike me as town right now.

Not sure why DV wants to remove me from his list when I haven't done anything yet.

VOTE: Juliet

Disclaimer: Phone posting and this was from memory of things.

OTH town, pav probably town, DV adorable (this isn't a townread <3), think i liked a TA post at some point

VOTE: whemestar because it's the hippest trend and i'm not finding anything particularly compelling

@Notty, okay new job. You said you had 3 reads though and then later posted that you had nothing to say because no one had said anything of note.
How.

You know which type of reads I prioritize

I’m waiting for more of that type

Marci is scared of playing scum, especially after getting dunked in three hours by multiple players in this game

She played a similar scared game as scum in my game with her after that, and this looks like night and day compared to those. There is a grain of salt that gamma could be coaching, but atm I’m fine with what Marci is doing

@luke- I actually didn’t like her early I just wanted to give her 72 hours first (so she could play for 24x as long as tarot) and by that point a certain gambit was under way. But I didn’t like her intro, no, nor did I agree with the write offs for her showing emotion

I’d say you could ask my other head but you can’t so

Oof Bell not a good look

~Spiffy

I'd really like Juliet to come back and talk about her naked vote.

Guilty Lion, Pavowski both strike me as town right now.

Not sure why DV wants to remove me from his list when I haven't done anything yet.

VOTE: Juliet

Disclaimer: Phone posting and this was from memory of things.

I didn't like how the justification for the vote in 103 feels very overexplanatory

You're a towel.

-Bell

You know damn well I could hit your meta if I wanted to lmao

What do you have for me

Vote: Bowser Jr.

Nobody got my joke here and it has left me in despair

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Your program is kind,
And so are you.

Orchids are white,
Ghost ones are rare,
My dress is black,
And so is your hair.

Magnolia grows,
With buds like eggs,
Cells are smooth,
And so are your legs.

Sunflowers reach,
Up to the skies,
The dress is blue,
And so are your eyes.

Foxgloves in hedges,
Surround the farms,
Cells are hairy,
And so are your arms.

Daisies are pretty,
Daffies have style,
My climate is warm,
And so is your smile.

Heaven is beautiful,
Just like you.

You’re a towel

You're a towel.

-Bell

Fabric drape of lily white
Reinforced seams to grip so tight
This noble drape, what an insult be
Methinks that this is TvT

I call people who scumread me towels regardless of my alignment

Bells due for paranoia just leave him be in enjoying the attention

I call people who scumread me towels regardless of my alignment

Bells due for paranoia just leave him be in enjoying the attention

I will scumread you for one post if you'll call me a towel

You’re a towel

You’re a towel

VOTE: Bowser

I enjoyed that

We now resume our regularly scheduled programming

VOTE: Wheme

Luke calling out his own scum tactics WRT Marci has to be the biggest towntell I've seen from Luke on d1

I wonder if I will be able to see this game clearly from his pocket

and I call bs on "We’re also trying to conserve posts for the extra coin, so you calling out inactivity is a pretty bad look actually"

We get 150 posts in all of day 1. When I "called you out" as you put it, you had a total of 8 posts combined between the two of you. There is a difference in conserving your post count and not being active.

And why the [!!$!] are you activity reading us in the first place? Go look at the activity overview for Final Fantasy XIV mafia, my hydra was one of the top posters overall, and held the top spot until I think D3 when Mandelbrot passed us. I CAN POST JUST FINE AS SCUM, PAL!!!

-GE

Am I taking crazy pills? What is the town motivation for this post?

I'm trying to townread your slot GE

The following players have made me feel good about them at some point in this game: {Pavowski, Lukewarm, marci/Gamma, Bell/GIF, GuiltyLion, Skybird}

I am proud of each and every one of you for your achievements.

Hey Bell or marci you wanna chat? I have nothing in mind but I would like you both to say things to me that will get me more engaged <------- This is an open invitation to anyone itg that happens to be around!

~Spiffy

I just realized I have at least vague townreads on all the people that are actually trying and Skybird but idc right now

(Not that Skybird's not trying, just wouldn't put her in the same category as the other five)

~Spiffy

Sigh. 6-10 are pretty much Bowser and Pav vying for who is making the most scummy posts, while Dunnstrall is just absent.

-Bell

[Bowser Jr.]

Logic says it’s bowser, but my gut/paranoia says it’s in Pav/Dunn.

[Pavowski]

Logic says it’s bowser, but my gut/paranoia says it’s in Pav/Dunn.

Logic should say it's me from your pov, no?

[Bowser Jr.]

I speak in meme. Wait for bell to check in.

[Pavowski]

Harumph

[Bowser Jr.]

That one liner is exclusively for his benefit because you aren’t going to dig through 340 pages

[Pavowski]

I surely am not

[Icebox]

Actually, while I know they’re referencing Sircakez and his misuse of the word ‘logic’
I don’t know what else they’re really getting at.
The comparison doesn’t really fit to me.

-Bell

[Icebox]

So far, neither have really engaged ceph, while JC seems to be treating Pav similarly to ceph but not remarkably so. Is anyone going to straight up answer whether Bowser is clear or not based on their claim?

It’s kind of unlike Dunnstrall not to validate their reasoning in a vote at this stage of the game. Rather, they’re not addressing the mechanics, when they should, and should be capable of doing so (history of messing up those sorts of observations not withstanding).

-Bell

[Skybird]

I don't know for sure if Bowser is clear or not. I don't trust myself on any of this stuff.

I will say I don't like Dunn's response to stuff right now. He's being really passive.

[Icebox]

I had movie night last night, and alas, missed all this fun!

I don't think I've played with Pavowski before but his posts ping town to me.

Is this sarcasm

-Bell

Not at all.

The following players have made me feel good about them at some point in this game: {Pavowski, Lukewarm, marci/Gamma, Bell/GIF, GuiltyLion, Skybird}

I am proud of each and every one of you for your achievements.

Hey Bell or marci you wanna chat? I have nothing in mind but I would like you both to say things to me that will get me more engaged <------- This is an open invitation to anyone itg that happens to be around!

~Spiffy

Vote: Bowser Jr.

UNVOTE: Child of Fairies
VOTE: Bowser Jr.

This is not really indication of a change of read on CoF, but more that Bowser Jr. seems to be trying oh so hard to insert themselves into some kind of cool kids towncore despite not really doing anything town.

I'd really like Juliet to come back and talk about her naked vote.

Guilty Lion, Pavowski both strike me as town right now.

Not sure why DV wants to remove me from his list when I haven't done anything yet.

VOTE: Juliet

Disclaimer: Phone posting and this was from memory of things.

I didn't like how the justification for the vote in 103 feels very overexplanatory

GL has posted a lot more since then. Do you still feel suspicious about that slot?

@GL, my apologies for calling you a slot. I couldn't remember your pronouns.

I dont think Gamma would tell her to antagonize me

The lady is a beast who is't cannot beest did contain by mere words, a wild animal who is't liveth off instinct and feeleth high-lone.

I bethink juliet is lacking thoughts, and the mistress is did treat like delicate mildew upon a spring leaf f'r their style.

the juni'r seemeth to beest afflict'd with darkness. Begone foul thing, from whither thee cameth.

VOTE: Bowser Jr.

LLD, DV, etc. let me help you out:

if it helps just write us off as Town and never question it and we'll be in good shape? We are undisputedly Town so as long as you're Town too there's absolutely no risk for you whatsoever

Given the resurfacing of the above post I will give you both 48 hours to find another place for your votes.

Thank you for your consideration swift action in this matter.

PEdit: Dunnstral this now applies to you as well.

~Spiffy

Hi I’m Bell and I would chat with you because I totally read this game twice wow I am totally motivated and stuff.
What do you want to talk about in general?

Now's not a great time cuz I have to start working but

What do you think about the votes on us? I wasn't thrilled with DV's but rereading my post asking to be engaged by you and marci I can squint and kinda see how he got there, but overall feels like a reach to me.

I do think it's odd that he criticizes us for trying too hard to get in a townbloc and then proceeds to buddy (imo) LLD by saying he agrees with her despite her having only voted this entire game.

~Spiffy

Begone beldams, playeth not tricks of the mind

I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally different between suspicion and criticism in this context.

I can elaborate on why I called your agreement with LLD buddying: LLD has done nothing but vote this entire game, which is fine, but your explicitly calling out that you agree with her feels unearned because she hasn’t expressed an opinion to be agreed with outside of what we can assume from her votes.

It felt to me that you were trying to endear yourself to her, and seeing as LLD is a very influential Town player I could see scum trying to cozy up to her.

~Spiffy

why does suspicion = criticism? Why does agreement = buddying?

So many things are suddenly becoming other things and it reeks of creating narratives where no such narratives exist

This post illustrates a pattern with your approach to us so far: in the post where you vote us, you seem to take issue with the post where I list out all my townreads and ask for a few of them to engage with me about the game. You immediately assume the worst and claim that we are trying to get in a townbloc instead of just having some town reads and wanting to talk to them about the game.

The above quoted post paints my actions as “creating narratives” which feels like a reach and is a buzz-phrase that gives you a convenient excuse to double down on your vote as our wagon grows.

I understand that the nature of mafia requires you to look for scum motivation in everyone’s posts, but your handling of your push on us in both these cases feels like you came into the read with the intention of scum reading us and are looking for things that will reinforce that. This, along with my point about LLD above, makes me happy to

VOTE: DeasVail

Also 47 hours until all votes on us must be removed.

~Spiffy

I could probably join a Bowser wagon, I like the main voters on it and I feel Bowser's reasoning on DV is convoluted in an uncomfortable way

I agree, I think bowser is super scummy

Wtf dont attack daddy bowser's good name like this

For the record I still think wheme isn’t town enough but I want to let spiffy do his thing

You have any other spicy townreads ceph?

Unless GuiltyLion is a spicy townread, no

Unless GuiltyLion is a spicy townread, no

You think the whole wagon on me is town?

I am asking I am not implying that’s what that post says

Oh, you aren't daddy bowser, you're baby bowser. I was shitposting

I was confused by the votes on you until DV explained. I'm not especially scumreading you either, but I'm fine with it now

Oh, you aren't daddy bowser, you're baby bowser. I was shitposting

I was confused by the votes on you until DV explained. I'm not especially scumreading you either, but I'm fine with it now

B-but ima big turtle

Koopas are the babies

LLD, DV, etc. let me help you out:

if it helps just write us off as Town and never question it and we'll be in good shape? We are undisputedly Town so as long as you're Town too there's absolutely no risk for you whatsoever

Given the resurfacing of the above post I will give you both 48 hours to find another place for your votes.

Thank you for your consideration swift action in this matter.

PEdit: Dunnstral this now applies to you as well.

~Spiffy

Unvote

...

Vote: Bowser Jr.

WhemeStar, looking through your iso doesn't give me many reasons not to vote you. Do you have any reads besides getting scum pings from Pavo?

LLD, what does it mean that you voted Bowser Jr. Three posts in a row? This is probably a rhetorical question since it looks like LLD has a post restriction.

VOTE: Bowser Jr

I have greater confidence in my scumread on COF but I don't have any real reasons to townread Bowser Jr and this wagon is better than the Wheme wagon

actually, upon review, i'd be game to help you with that.

VOTE: child of fairies

@Notty, sure. Tell me a little bit about why you're a wet towel this game.

because I’m scum

I’m still solving and developing reads, just behind the scenes atm. I agree with spiffys list, plus a few extra. We disagreed one another person (over the same post actually)

Let’s pretend I’m town- who’s scum

I think I want to vote skybird hmmm

How strange to say this but not do it

I have to pretend?
Okay

-Bell

I mean if you aren’t pretending that just means you know I’m town and are voting me out of paranoia and/or spite

I don't get the skybird sus, there seems like barely anything there

{Pavowski, Lukewarm, marci/Gamma, Bell/GIF, GuiltyLion, Skybird}

Add Ceph, strongest read is Marci followed by you despite you being a towel, followed by pavowski into lukewarm into guilty, then skybird into ceph

I think wheme is probscum at this point.

Just so you know I rolled town Pavowski. I thought I'd do it early enough to annoy you.
Actually, usually I spam that, but I sort of stopped recently. Dunno why. Probably because I obvtown so hard I don't need to repeat it all the time.

-Bell

He who is innocent rarely has to say it
He who is guilty cant stop

How dare you accuse me of paranoia.

-Bell

You’re going to flavor leaf my every game until I flip scum aren’t you

I’m letting my lovely partner spread his wings while I sit back and get reads

Plus I can’t mock my wagon if I’m not the leading wagon

I don't get the skybird sus, there seems like barely anything there

Ya know, I iso'd them and thought about it.
I didn't like their way of wording their positioning on Wheme as being an absence of a reason not to vote them. But, in retrospect it's tame enough that I don't care. But not much there, you're right. Back to neutral.


Pedit:
Wheme is always scum tho.

-Bell

I'm already in Luke's pocket but your efforts are commendable

I'd say COF and Skybird has scum in it.

is there any particular reason why this is phrased as though the two are connected in some way

I'd say COF and Skybird has scum in it.

This was the contested read for me and spiffs

I didn’t like when they asked for clarification from Pavoski about the votes. I felt like it showed them not trying to pay attention which looks weird from someone trying to solve

But spiffs also missed it so no clue. He liked the same post I didn’t like.

Ninja-
Heh, mentioning the same part

Btw it is actually embarrassing for the players on our wagon familiar with notty (such as Bell, Dunn, LLD) to be misreading him here if they're Town

He is objectively very obviously Town and you should all be ashamed of yourselves

I am obviously Town too but tend to get misread early so it's less offensive to scum read me

~Spiffy

Luke did you notice the same thing as me about DVs post and what it means associativewise?

Ninja-
Giffy your votes on spiffy tell bell to stop being a towel

Are you sure? I found it pretty funny.

I'd say COF and Skybird has scum in it.

is there any particular reason why this is phrased as though the two are connected in some way

Nope, unintended
Out of all the questions you could've asked anyone, why this one?
-Bell

Dunno. I can't control what strikes me as worthy of prodding. I'm currently mildly scumreading COF so anything to do with them is a little more interesting?

Btw it is actually embarrassing for the players on our wagon familiar with notty (such as Bell, Dunn, LLD) to be misreading him here if they're Town

He is objectively very obviously Town and you should all be ashamed of yourselves

I am obviously Town too but tend to get misread early so it's less offensive to scum read me

~Spiffy

I'm now scumreading you solely for this post

Well, Ceph certainly is playing like Bowser is their partner this game.

-Bell