Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Taly]

hi taly

pocketed

[marcistar]

angielily - ???

:< what do u think abt if i asked lily to dance?

[Save The Dragons]

GuiltyLion - scum?
Lady Lambdadelta - town

can you elaborate on this

i see you did by the time i typed it but do you have anything more

i like LLD's push i don't see it coming from scum. I didn't like GL huffing and puffing and being all "guess you're scared of me"

[Save The Dragons]

angielily - ???

:< what do u think abt if i asked lily to dance?

i think you're scum so i hope you leave lol

[Firebringer]

marci if u want to dance with lily why dont u just do it. deal with all the yelling from people later.

[Ydrasse]

hi taly

pocketed

wahoo

[Firebringer]

i like LLD's push i don't see it coming from scum.

i think that push 100% could be scum LLD lol. I think she is town right now but that push is no way outside her ability.

[marcistar]

cuz i dontn wanna ruin her chances at playing the game because of how selfish i am

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GL your responses just seem like "scum caught for the wrong reason" maybe you're not but it feels that way

i disagree with this. i think the way LLD handled this and admitted was being aggressive was going to ellicit responses that are gonna go something like that i wouldn't say is actually conclusive to an alignment.

its kind of like bad police interrogations

Except this method works and has gotten me a lot of town wins.

Like, generally, maybe put some respect on my name instead of just assuming whenever I am aggressive things will become null.

[Ydrasse]

lld had a good opening to the game

[Firebringer]

theres a "secret" tell ive been thinking about LLD and if i see her do it, im burning her down for it (cause i think it confirms scum), Don't see it. Don't need to worry about her

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i like LLD's push i don't see it coming from scum.

i think that push 100% could be scum LLD lol. I think she is town right now but that push is no way outside her ability.

God I get tired of hearing this.

Yes, people including STD know I am good at scum and have a large range.

But just like you they don't think I am currently scum.

I underatand the need to prevent me from being townread forever from paranoia but at what point in a game does the 5th person saying "it's in LLD's range" become moot.

God, lol

[Taly]

critique me lld

[Taly]

Idk even know if people consider my play rn technically within my scumrange or not

[Firebringer]

"it's in LLD's range" become moot.

well its moot right now

[Lady Lambdadelta]

critique me lld

Sure. You are currently wasting an IC slot by not being more aggressive in your stances and reads. You are confirmed town, throw nicety out the window and really just go for it. Abuse your station.

[GuiltyLion]

your reasoning for putting Cabd in the dance is also Bad Actually but I have to do some work so I might touch on that later. and maybe your Andante push cause I don't like that one either

interested in this when you have time (and some jamming about lily too)

on the Cabd thing since I have a moment

I was thinking about it more yesterday

The best case for town is obviously Taly being paired with a universally townread obvtown that no one has any real suspicions or paranoia about. This would essentially force the scum NK onto that pairing, endgaming with such a pair alive would otherwise be tremendously difficult (virtually impossible if there are no S-S pairs, I think)

The second best case for town would actually be Taly pairing with scum, right? If Taly isn't NK'd, it'd be a sizable red flag and we'd have a chance at taking them out via Taly leaving at any point in the second dance. But this isn't that great, it means scum get a free ticket into the dance and can use the NK elsewhere and hope townies suffer the WIFOM, further muddying the gamestate. They can also set themselves up to look good associatively in this scenario since they'd know for sure Taly-Partner is T-S.

However, I think the

worst

case for town is Taly pairing with town who is limbaity or suspected. Then scum could leverage the lack of NK WIFOM to force town to either bet the game on Taly's partner's alignment or to get a free kill when Taly leaves, and also it frees up their NK to use elsewhere if they're confident Taly's partner isn't someone town would bet the game on.

so what's the case for Cabd as Taly's partner? What do we get out of it?

At best, Cabd is town and decides to start powertowning/obvtowning and Taly/Cabd eat the scum kill. Cabd has given no indication yet that he's going to start actually doing this.
At worst, Cabd is town but we all get paranoid of him and do scum's work for them by encouraging Taly to leave before endgame.

If you think Cabd is scum, it's always better to just ice him out and not even argue for him to make it into the dance. The gains for town if Cabd is scumread but actually town are pretty marginal unless Cabd decides to actually powertown. That's where my head was at when posting 365. But the more I think about it the more I think arguing to put a slot like Cabd into the game with Taly is about the worst case for him. If Cabd is widely suspected town, he's better off going with another widely suspected slot, then we can sort each of them and still hold the power to lim them. The goal for Taly's partner should always be the most obvtown player to force scum's hand and make it suboptimal to NK anywhere else

I'd nominate Prism for that currently probably

[Taly]

I sound like I'm on acid when I phonepost and don't read back to edit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"it's in LLD's range" become moot.

well its moot right now

Valid. Could be less moot later. But like...

Bah, you get it.

[Taly]

critique me lld

Sure. You are currently wasting an IC slot by not being more aggressive in your stances and reads. You are confirmed town, throw nicety out the window and really just go for it. Abuse your station.

Is it wise to really take the IC word as law though?

[Firebringer]

GL your responses just seem like "scum caught for the wrong reason" maybe you're not but it feels that way

i disagree with this. i think the way LLD handled this and admitted was being aggressive was going to ellicit responses that are gonna go something like that i wouldn't say is actually conclusive to an alignment.

its kind of like bad police interrogations

Except this method works and has gotten me a lot of town wins.

Like, generally, maybe put some respect on my name instead of just assuming whenever I am aggressive things will become null.

i will try to properly give ur case a response instead of my handwaving of it because of ur actions in a bit, right now im just llike "ehhh this seems like ur making a mountain out of a hill"

[Taly]

yall really want me to bloodlust this game

[GuiltyLion]

GL your responses just seem like "scum caught for the wrong reason" maybe you're not but it feels that way

I don't like being pushed for bullshit as either alignment. "You didn't elaborate on your reads!!!!" being LLD's "gotcha" is captital-B Bullshit

[Ydrasse]

yes

[Lady Lambdadelta]

critique me lld

Sure. You are currently wasting an IC slot by not being more aggressive in your stances and reads. You are confirmed town, throw nicety out the window and really just go for it. Abuse your station.

Is it wise to really take the IC word as law though?

Taking your word as law is not the same thing as exercising your control to lead town.

I am gonna get slammed for being arrogant for this but go read mountain dew mafia where I rolled IC and played a specific way. It won that game single handedly, because of the environment it created.

Be a little more confident and lean into it