Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[Looker]

I think it's Pav. If not Pav, Auro. Dismissing an LQ bus is unwise.

[Roden]

The evidence looks really stacked against the Bingle/Looker slot tbh. Like I don't really have a case on anyone else, if it isn't Looker then it could literally be anyone else and I wouldn't be able to figure out just by reading posts. I've genuinely tried to look for any other possible partners through ISO skims this entire day phase but there's nothing I'd feel confident on as an alternative.

I've already explained my worry about being wrong about Looker. Though, the longer this day goes on with zero urgency and effort from them, the more I've got a bad feeling they're just waiting to get elim'd because they're Ice Mafia. At the very least they're not town because they aren't doing anything to stop their potential mis-elim.

If no one's against it, should we just vote? I don't see anyone else getting cased today, and the only thing that's giving me hesitation is the bad vibe but there's nothing that can be done about that.

[Roden]

Uh random idea, I think we can technically stop twilight coordination for the night kills if Looker is wrong. If everyone claims scum and a random NK target, the real scum teams won't know who's actually scum and town. Basically to try to drown out coordination with WIFOM on who's true claiming scum and who's gambitting as town, to try to get scum to accidentally target each other or target the same slot to cancel the kill. Idk, it's a weird idea but it's better than hoping we can hammer and get an immediate thread lock from NM.

Does anyone think this is a bad idea?

[Pavowski]

Uh random idea, I think we can technically stop twilight coordination for the night kills if Looker is wrong. If everyone claims scum and a random NK target, the real scum teams won't know who's actually scum and town. Basically to try to drown out coordination with WIFOM on who's true claiming scum and who's gambitting as town, to try to get scum to accidentally target each other or target the same slot to cancel the kill. Idk, it's a weird idea but it's better than hoping we can hammer and get an immediate thread lock from NM.

Does anyone think this is a bad idea?

You know, I've been kinda paralyzed by the fear that we're fooked if we get the lim wrong today but I think this is a good way to give town a chance

I'd townlock roden for this if you weren't already confirmed

[Pavowski]

To be fair, if it works the next day would be chaotic as hell but at least it wouldn't be an auto win for scum overnight

[T3]

Uh random idea, I think we can technically stop twilight coordination for the night kills if Looker is wrong. If everyone claims scum and a random NK target, the real scum teams won't know who's actually scum and town. Basically to try to drown out coordination with WIFOM on who's true claiming scum and who's gambitting as town, to try to get scum to accidentally target each other or target the same slot to cancel the kill. Idk, it's a weird idea but it's better than hoping we can hammer and get an immediate thread lock from NM.

Does anyone think this is a bad idea?

ooh, that could work.

[T3]

intent to vote looker

[Looker]

I don't think rushing is a good idea. We have 5 days and no one's laid out any contingencies. If I'm town, who's mafia? If I'm fire, who's mafia? If I'm ice, who's mafia? I get that Roden is confirmed town, but that doesn't justify blindly following him. Especially when Pavowski and Auro aren't trying to meter out the pace. I'm still reading - you guys should be caught up by now.

[Pavowski]

I don't think rushing is a good idea. We have 5 days and no one's laid out any contingencies. If I'm town, who's mafia? If I'm fire, who's mafia? If I'm ice, who's mafia? I get that Roden is confirmed town, but that doesn't justify blindly following him. Especially when Pavowski and Auro aren't trying to meter out the pace. I'm still reading - you guys should be caught up by now.

Dude if you're fire your partner is dead already

And I would hardly call the current pace of the game "rushing"

[Looker]

But if I'm fire, is ice dead already? Your single-mindedness is the issue I'm addressing. It's disingenuous.

[Pavowski]

I am hardly single-minded

At best I'm half of one mind

I've barely said a thing about your slot aside from townreading it when Bingle was in it by the way

[Looker]

I just wish there was more of a plan (and more of a demand for one) than "Kill Looker and everything will be fine", because that's not a plan and the coasting towards that destination with no qualms is giving me pause. Granted, I should be more caught up than I am right now, but that's not really alignment indicative if you look through my recent span of replacing into games.

[Looker]

I'm just saying. Give me time, discuss what happens if you're wrong. Explain why Pav and Auro aren't the scums. There's still time on the clock.

[Looker]

The fact that this isn't happening should be raising flags.

[Roden]

Discussing who's scum if it isn't you Looker just helps the scum teams decide who to night kill...

[Roden]

But if I'm fire, is ice dead already? Your single-mindedness is the issue I'm addressing. It's disingenuous.

No Ice Mafia have been flipped yet. And nobody here is single-minded, we've looked into everyone else and only T3 and maybe Auro looked like potential partners, but not nearly as much as Bingle had. If you aren't LQ's partner then you need to present a case on someone else.

[Looker]

But that's not fair - you're giving everyone permission to miselim by saying "Don't discuss anything cuz scum might WIFOM." That's going to happen anyway. If I were LQ's partner, I'd know the other team was going to kill you and just not submit an NK - then you'd be back where you started all over again and it'd be 1:2:2. Killing me doesn't save you.

[Roden]

But that's not fair - you're giving everyone permission to miselim by saying "Don't discuss anything cuz scum might WIFOM." That's going to happen anyway. If I were LQ's partner, I'd know the other team was going to kill you and just not submit an NK - then you'd be back where you started all over again and it'd be 1:2:2. Killing me doesn't save you.

???

What are you talking about? Nobody said not to discuss anything.

Discussing who's scum if it isn't you Looker just helps the scum teams decide who to night kill...

The point of this specifically is to not discuss who the Fire Mafia actually is

if we're proven wrong after the elimination happens

, but if anyone thinks right now that you're not Fire Mafia then obviously we should discuss that.

I'm just saying. Give me time, discuss what happens if you're wrong. Explain why Pav and Auro aren't the scums. There's still time on the clock.

Like this just implies you want us to explain who we think the Ice Mafia are, which I did give my take on since I 100% have to die tonight if we do successfully elim LQ's partner, but otherwise doesn't really help town since we don't win today by catching them if we don't catch Fire first.

If I were LQ's partner, I'd know the other team was going to kill you and just not submit an NK - then you'd be back where you started all over again and it'd be 1:2:2. Killing me doesn't save you.

Also I'm not sure what you mean by this? How do we end up in a 1:2:2 situation if you're LQ's partner and we've decided to vote you?

[Roden]

I feel like I'm just getting trolled, because we've already explained what town has to do to win and you're acting like you're unaware of what every factions' wincons are.

[mc esther]

yeah that burst of activity seals it for me

VOTE: looker

[Looker]

VT

[DArby]

Uh random idea, I think we can technically stop twilight coordination for the night kills if Looker is wrong. If everyone claims scum and a random NK target, the real scum teams won't know who's actually scum and town. Basically to try to drown out coordination with WIFOM on who's true claiming scum and who's gambitting as town, to try to get scum to accidentally target each other or target the same slot to cancel the kill. Idk, it's a weird idea but it's better than hoping we can hammer and get an immediate thread lock from NM.

Does anyone think this is a bad idea?

No I’m radio rebel.

I like the idea and also voting for booker. I’ve said it before and don’t really have anything to add because looking for ice scum is a bit shot in the dark.

[DArby]

Like, the game is at an annoying impasse where we only have a real option.

But Looker looks like a really good lim independent of that.

[T3]

VOTE: looker
t3 approves

[DArby]

Looker’s at e-2 right?