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ok, i finally updated the op. scum don't actually get to use those roles, no.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Isis
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If they don't get assigned the role there's some bad juju with massclaim stuff and forcing people to use roles to prove they have it and it gets kinda technical
I guess that's ok?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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i mean, if i had wanted a non-mech game, i would've ran nightless vanilla
does the mech break all reads and turn the game into townofsalem-esque clusterfuck? if not, i thiiink it's fineI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Not_Mafia
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What about scum starting with certain powers but if they get randed a power it vanillaises them, balances against town getting 3 PRs and scales down the less power town getAlso, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.- Datisi
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that's not a bad idea. the first thing that comes to mind is...
if town gets all 3 power roles, scum gets a factional 1-shot strongman or 1-shot ninja - they choose which one they'd want to use and when, and both scum still flip as a goon (to make sure that the game doesn't become way too broken by conftowning all 3 power roles).
if scum gets 1 or 2 power roles, they don't receive them, and instead get a factional informed that tells them which roles were they supposed to get.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Gamma Emerald
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My biggest issue is scum can have 2/3 PRs with pure randomWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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even with scum only being informed I think town having such a varying level of power is sketchyWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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oh wait, considering scum *always* flips goon regardless of what they rolled, i can make it so that the power role distribution is rerolled if it happens that scum has 2/3 power roles. so that it's guaranteed town will have either 2 or 3 of them.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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though, if a pr-claiming scum does flip, i guess the problem remains that the town is somewhat likely to realize scum fakeclaimed due to their informed modifier, therefore the other two prs are town...I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Something_Smart
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Not necessarily, it's not that crazy to fakeclaim PR if you know town has 3 because it's not like they're all going to claim to out you.In post 34, Datisi wrote:though, if a pr-claiming scum does flip, i guess the problem remains that the town is somewhat likely to realize scum fakeclaimed due to their informed modifier, therefore the other two prs are town...
Maybe scum could be informed of a few unused roles if they don't get any PR's?Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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that's a possibility. i first thought of strongman/ninja since (other than the obvious benefits) that adds more ~ambiguity~ to the validity of power role claims, and also lets scum fakeclaim them more easily, but if that's too strong against 3 town prs...In post 35, Something_Smart wrote:Maybe scum could be informed of a few unused roles if they don't get any PR's?
if town has 3 power roles, scum being informed of 3 random power roles not in the game is also a possibility? i can't tell which one is supposed to be better right now, it's way too late (like i would usually know)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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the above post is a "someone tell me what to do, i am an idiot when it comes to balance"I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Something_Smart
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Strongman isn't bad, ninja's a little niche since it only counters two roles. I liked vanilla cop or something, just to allow scum to visit so any non-killing visits weren't confirmed town.
Informing scum of 3 roles not in the game is probably too many, but I guess it's not a huge deal. I'd probably go with 2.
Maybe you could let scum choose between 1-shot vanilla cop and knowledge of 2 roles not in the ga-- wait, that's just my I/M rule for PYP X/Y, isn't it. I mean it was a cool rule
Between the two I think informing is probably better, since it would really suck to claim a PR as scum and get screwed by that role happening to exist in the setup. I believe the D3 setups (and a lot of setups with modular PR's) provide at least some information to help scum avoid that.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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after more bullying taking place on discord, this time of s_s, the following changes take place:
- removing the gunsmith and vengeful
- adding a 1-shot friendly neighbour
- changing some aspects of setup generation, read opI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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okay, so the first run is over: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88294
i will definitely be removing the vig from the 9p version.
this is the rough draft from the mod pt for an eventual 13p version:In post 18, Datisi wrote:okay, in this post i will start drafting a 13p version of this game because why not
33/33/33 chance the game has 3/4/5 power roles
possible power roles would be
- babysitter
- doctor
- motion detector
- tracker
- voyeur
- 1-shot cop
- 1-shot friendly neighbour
- 1-shot watcher
- 2-shot alien
- lazy jailkeeper
- lazy roleblocker
- odd-night neapolitan
- universal backup
i wanna wait on seeing how a loyal vig works out this game to tell for sure if i wanna keep it in or not, but i'm kinda leaning on no? maybe potentially include a hider or a vengeful now that there's 13p but i'll wait until this game is over and the mechanically smart people can help me out here. also i have no idea what the gates on the watcher and alien should be but something something first draft etc
anyway, scum is always informed of 2 town power roles that are not in the game. they are also multitasking and can use as many of these as they want in the same night.
if there are 4 power roles in the game, i'd give them a factional 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot rolecop, 1-shot ascetic
if there are 5 power roles in the game, they get a factional 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot rolecop, 1-shot ascetic, 1-shot ninja, 1-shot strongman
i kiiiinda wanna give them a 1-shot rolecop if 3 town power roles to keep the "scum gets extra 2 powers for every extra town power role" symmetryI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Something_Smart
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yeah, i wasn't sure what gate to put there so
what are other cool scum powers i could put there?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- RH9
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You can have aIn post 42, Datisi wrote:yeah, i wasn't sure what gate to put there so
what are other cool scum powers i could put there?Weak Novice Odd-Night Three-Shot Combined Mailman Neighborizer. But then, this would sound really unusual and would be too long to be put on a Role PM as well as being kind of useless.- Datisi
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i bullied s_s some more yesterday and the following is what we came up with:
sample role pm's:
Spoiler:I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M - Datisi
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