Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

oh wait I needed to talk about Prism too

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ok lemme iso Prism again. I'll be honest and say the main thing that I townread so hard was how aggressively she called out Cabd, it felt genuine and mindmeldy. The thing I worry about is when I challenge myself why Prism/Cabd couldn't be distancing with Prism wanting to endgame, I don't see anything that rules out the possibility, which kinda calls into question the whole foundation for the read. I don't know if I actually want to write a town!Prism case due to that, the replace out did honestly sink my read there a bit. I might look at what Norway's done since then and give a general overview of my thoughts on the ISO, another post incoming

[Titus]

Alyssa, I should have asked this before, but I reacted emotionally.

What does my death tell you about the game state? Specific reads only since you felt my death would be valuable.

1. It quantifies whether the scumteam are looking to do an SvS pairing, since I strongly suspect that it's an LLD pairing if it is
2. A town LLD flip directly checks each of the slots that were looking to pair with her, making their flips more valuable for determining what scum were looking to do this game
3. It neutralizes one of the black sheep slots for GuiltyLion, who is one of my townreads
4. Even if I do believe you can be +town as town, your scumgame is also still strong enough at manipulating the game that I don't believe the potential strengths outweigh it, especially since I don't see that part of you every game

basically it's the single biggest flip that provides the most information for what the scumteam's strategy is throughout the game in a way that no other flip does

1. My townflip does nothing to determine if the scumteam want an S v S pairing or not.
2. It absolutely doesn't. Scum can be bold or passive, particularly if they don't know LLD's playstyle. Also, a weaker scum could try and implode with LLD to save GL who is a stronger scum. My townflip says nothing but I'm town.
3. Or you're just wrong/scum.
4. Fear of Titus.

smh

Now that you explain it, it's not as scummy considering there's some concrete steps you might take but a lot of this is still hollow and begs followup.

1. How does my flip define if scum want S v S or not?
2. Already handled.
3. Why wouldn't my flip have you reassess GL? You and I both know LLD's accuracy rate. Sure doubt mine but when is the last time she's been that confident and wrong? Regardless of her alignment. If you still think I'm scum after GL flips, whatever but I want to take one down with me.
4. In what universe do you think I'm being strong at manipulating the game given his defenders? Unless you think collectively all the scum are WKing GL, then I'm not having improper influence on the game given the amount of detractors.

[Galron]

Andante's probably the townbeard but could be s v s. I'll give you that. I think it's too overt for S v S.

could be but andante is ott, which is confusing given she's experienced.

[Titus]

Andante's probably the townbeard but could be s v s. I'll give you that. I think it's too overt for S v S.

could be but andante is ott, which is confusing given she's experienced.

ott?

[Galron]

calling me a man and then calling stuff i say garbage when i'm trying to explain what i think. lol.

whatever not going to cry over this tonight. will respond tomorrow. bye.

who did this?

[Galron]

Galron, if you think Andante/GL is S-S, do you think Andante's play is good or logical play if I'm going to flip scum at some point in the game

Not sure. Confused w/ Andante rn.

[Galron]

Andante's probably the townbeard but could be s v s. I'll give you that. I think it's too overt for S v S.

could be but andante is ott, which is confusing given she's experienced.

ott?

over the top

[Galron]

I can do this with every single Titus post about me but not gonna spam the thread

GuiltyLion immediately 180s his read when I come in. This is not unnoticed

wym? he still scumreads the slot doesn't he?

[GuiltyLion]

Galron r u saying andante is pocketing/white knighting GL here. Cause that’s what it looks like

possible partner

meh ok I don't think I have it in me to do some more deep thinking right this second and honestly as I'm reading through Prism's ISO taken together I really don't see anything that makes me especially certain it can't be scum. I don't know if I can actually write a good town case for her when I try to get down to the meat and bones of it

Datisi would you hate it if I said I actually think maybe I was just wrong and Prism could totally be scum

I do want to catchup on a lot of the stuff that happened since last night and give more hipfire / less polished thoughts, so I

am

gonna do that now

[GuiltyLion]

whoops, quote unrelated

[Galron]

Prism NorwegianboyEE

Cabd Something_Smart

Lady Lambdadelta Titus

Keep forgetting the first two.

[GuiltyLion]

I would endorse GuiltyLion accepting marci's proposal at this point in time, but I also wouldn't mind her pairing with her friend anymore either.

this is interesting

I've been reluctant to accept because I think if marci's town it's a Bad Pairing and would be easy for scum to push the miselim via one player or the other, unless perhaps

both

Titus and S_S flip red. I kinda think marci-lily would be better - if there's at least one scum in the two they have no chance at endgaming and a T-T flip would suck but wouldn't be devastating since odds are high they'd have been candidates for lim in a different pair as well. and if nothing else it'd be fun for the two of them

I think maybe marci/GL could work on the condition if we left lily out - a lily redflip would be a lot of townpoints for marci (almost clearing in my mind - I do agree with you that I think marci's later posts have been better - not sure if I've thought about them enough to comfortably townread yet) and maybe if S_S and/or Titus flips red as well I'd be established as far more likely town by that point.

Titus' singular minded push on me is sinking the odds that LLD was just wrongTown, which I think is making marci feel better in my eyes too

[Andante]

Not sure. Confused w/ Andante rn.

Can I help unconfuse you? or help with reading someone? I can be good at that!! very good! professional scumhunter andante here!

[Andante]

I would endorse GuiltyLion accepting marci's proposal at this point in time, but I also wouldn't mind her pairing with her friend anymore either.

this is interesting

I've been reluctant to accept because I think if marci's town it's a Bad Pairing and would be easy for scum to push the miselim via one player or the other, unless perhaps

both

Titus and S_S flip red. I kinda think marci-lily would be better - if there's at least one scum in the two they have no chance at endgaming and a T-T flip would suck but wouldn't be devastating since odds are high they'd have been candidates for lim in a different pair as well. and if nothing else it'd be fun for the two of them

I think maybe marci/GL could work on the condition if we left lily out - a lily redflip would be a lot of townpoints for marci (almost clearing in my mind - I do agree with you that I think marci's later posts have been better - not sure if I've thought about them enough to comfortably townread yet) and maybe if S_S and/or Titus flips red as well I'd be established as far more likely town by that point.

Titus' singular minded push on me is sinking the odds that LLD was just wrongTown, which I think is making marci feel better in my eyes too

If you had your pick of the remaining gentlemen who would you want?

[GuiltyLion]

Taly
GuiltyLion, Datisi
RH9
Alyssa the Lamb, Firebringer, Catboi
NorwegianboyEE
Galron, Andante
Malakittens, Save the Dragons, Marcistar
(Something_Smart, Titus) Angielily,

this and 1205 are super good posts I think. These reads are pretty close to mine (at least a mutual town core of Datisi, Firebringer, Alyssa [who I've liked a lot of recent posts from], Catboi) feels pretty good. I'm less sure at the moment about RH9/nEE and more sure about Andante.

Ydra's thoughts on lily are making me reevaluate. the more I sit with it the more I think if marci is town then those lily posts are worse than I had thought. I still don't think it's S/S energy but I do think lily seems like she both wants to buddy marci but also doesn't want to actually be tied to her.

I'm kinda hoping to see some marci thoughts on that, either in the pages I'm in the process of reading or in the near future.

[Andante]

more sure about Andante.

Also, I'm slightly concerned you're the only one super sure on me, like, I honestly don't think I've done too much for helping gamesolve

[Andante]

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

[Galron]

Not sure. Confused w/ Andante rn.

Can I help unconfuse you? or help with reading someone? I can be good at that!! very good! professional scumhunter andante here!

why are you pushing for GL to be partnered but not others? Why not leave him out?

[Galron]

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

~lol. where does this come from?

[GuiltyLion]

If you had your pick of the remaining gentlemen who would you want?

Datisi. I'd also like catboi and I'd settle for marcistar but I'm worried a marcistar/GL T-T pairing isn't actually beneficial to town unless we manage to effectively clear ourselves. I think after I said I was willing to leave to flip marci it's not good for the long term gamestate if we pair and I don't stay at least willing to do that

[Andante]

I mean, where are the others? Everytime I'm here GL is here, so you want mala paired over GL? the way I see it, why pair with someone if they're not gonna do anything, even if GL is scum, GL will be active. I don't understand why we're not wanting GL paired

[Andante]

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

~lol. where does this come from?

I wonder where

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Alyssa, I should have asked this before, but I reacted emotionally.

What does my death tell you about the game state? Specific reads only since you felt my death would be valuable.

1. It quantifies whether the scumteam are looking to do an SvS pairing, since I strongly suspect that it's an LLD pairing if it is
2. A town LLD flip directly checks each of the slots that were looking to pair with her, making their flips more valuable for determining what scum were looking to do this game
3. It neutralizes one of the black sheep slots for GuiltyLion, who is one of my townreads
4. Even if I do believe you can be +town as town, your scumgame is also still strong enough at manipulating the game that I don't believe the potential strengths outweigh it, especially since I don't see that part of you every game

basically it's the single biggest flip that provides the most information for what the scumteam's strategy is throughout the game in a way that no other flip does

1. My townflip does nothing to determine if the scumteam want an S v S pairing or not.
2. It absolutely doesn't. Scum can be bold or passive, particularly if they don't know LLD's playstyle. Also, a weaker scum could try and implode with LLD to save GL who is a stronger scum. My townflip says nothing but I'm town.
3. Or you're just wrong/scum.
4. Fear of Titus.

smh

Now that you explain it, it's not as scummy considering there's some concrete steps you might take but a lot of this is still hollow and begs followup.

1. How does my flip define if scum want S v S or not?
2. Already handled.
3. Why wouldn't my flip have you reassess GL? You and I both know LLD's accuracy rate. Sure doubt mine but when is the last time she's been that confident and wrong? Regardless of her alignment. If you still think I'm scum after GL flips, whatever but I want to take one down with me.
4. In what universe do you think I'm being strong at manipulating the game given his defenders? Unless you think collectively all the scum are WKing GL, then I'm not having improper influence on the game given the amount of detractors.

1. That's my read on the gamestate.
2. That's my read on the gamestate.
3. I actually don't know LLD's accuracy rate, since I only ever remember playing with her as scum. I hate this type of logic, though. Every single town player has weaknesses, and I'm very loathe to simply trust individual reads unless I have

very

good reason to explicitly trust that specific read. And my read on GL is based on my gamestate read.
4. That's my read on you as a player. I have a particular read on you as town as well, of which means that I don't believe your reads are particularly strong in this particular game in the case that you are town. Plus, you have barely been here relative to the rest of the game, and this type of thing does take time to really force through.

[Galron]

I mean, where are the others? Everytime I'm here GL is here, so you want mala paired over GL? the way I see it, why pair with someone if they're not gonna do anything, even if GL is scum, GL will be active. I don't understand why we're not wanting GL paired

I don't understand why him over others

[Galron]

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

~lol. where does this come from?

I wonder where

explain pls