Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Alyssa The Lamb]

S+S pairings are extremely powerful with the right players

[Datisi]

mind giving me the tl;dr on why norwee is so townie?

[Titus]

Alyssa, would you be willing to accept catboi? According to the first post, that's still valid. While you aren't my biggest TR, you aren't in the range where I would be ok with you sitting out. I feel your agenda might be a wrong town one after our conversation and we're running out of good gentlemen.

Then maybe RH9 can pair with EE and marcistar/Galron can pair with SS.

That would leave Galron or marcistar with malakittens or lily.

Then lily or mala sits out.

[Titus]

mind giving me the tl;dr on why norwee is so townie?

Prism's attitude was very townie and EE usually has a sense of slime about him as scum. Occasionally, I am wrong but that's usually when he's a townbeard.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm Taly's bitch now, I pair with who he wants me to pair with

[Titus]

S+S pairings are extremely powerful with the right players

True, but that means they've infected the townblock and wouldn't have sat out today anyway.

We would have to keep this in mind going forward but that's a day three or four problem. It would show when town pairings die and there's a lack of genuine paranoia towards each other I hope.

[Titus]

I'm Taly's bitch now, I pair with who he wants me to pair with

Taly, please approve this paring. I'd like catboi with someone active and a good planner. I'm not 100% Alyssa is town but I feel catboi can detect if Alyssa is scum.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

What's your exp with him

I don't think I've ever played with him before

[Andante]

while this isn't something i want *this game*, in another universe this is definitely a pairing i would love to see. s_s sucks at reading me, i like to think i have a method of reading s_s but realistically it probably sucks too. also poetry? that's a pt i'd have fun in.

I mean, I was going for fun PTs lol

[Andante]

Do I wanna go through dats's ISO and figure out if I tr/sr him, or keep doing what I'm doing ._. doesn't even matter what I think of all the gents tbh

[Datisi]

what is the logic behind two scum players pairing together? especially someone like me, who a lot of people are saying want to endgame, and lld, who a lot of people are saying they DON'T want to endgame?

@andante, i'd rather you answer this ^^

[Titus]

What's your exp with him

I don't think I've ever played with him before

Presuming this means catboi. Catboi gives enough detail to where you know where he stands and what he thinks, especially at the start. I'm a bit worried he'll get drowned out because of the pace (my bad). While he's not the best scumhunter (but still decent), he's a great person to bounce ideas off of. If he's town and you're town, I think it would be a happy pairing.

[Andante]

@Dats
2 scum players pair together? yeah, like, 2 strong scum together, then they lead the town, call the shots when IC dies, and no one questions them cause "they're just so towny"
Plus like, if you + LLD were paired and S/S I feel like you could talk people out of SRing LLD

[Taly]

I'm Taly's bitch now, I pair with who he wants me to pair with

Taly, please approve this paring. I'd like catboi with someone active and a good planner. I'm not 100% Alyssa is town but I feel catboi can detect if Alyssa is scum.

I would approve under the opposite reasons.

Alyssa

is actively hurting herself as Mafia by letting me leash her decisions unless I'm already painted with

Ydrasse

-scum which I do not think is the case.

I also want to enforce something that I believe

SS

or

Datisi

mentioned, and that is for the rest of the playerlist to refrain from vocalizing reads on

Ydrasse

on this point forward. I would take going against this notion as actively antitown without strong justification.

[Taly]

I want to know you're confident in

Catboi

town because I do not have a strong grasp on him here.

[Titus]

@Taly, I'll try not to address Ydrasse reads going forward. It might be hard and my read may slip by implication anyway but I'll try.

Catboi I have had as locktown due to mindmeld very early in my catchup.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm going to pretend that Ydrasse doesn't exist in a read sense since her alignment is effectively irrelevant until post-intermission assuming that pairing survives intermission.

[Taly]

@Taly, I'll try not to address Ydrasse reads going forward. It might be hard and my read may slip by implication anyway but I'll try.

Catboi I have had as locktown due to mindmeld very early in my catchup.

Pinpoint the posts and what the mindmelds were.

[Datisi]

Plus like, if you + LLD were paired and S/S I feel like you could talk people out of SRing LLD

but that's effort

it's much easier to pair with a utr lady, get some *extra* towncred once lld flips red, and cruise

obviously self meta bad etc but i just feel like this is objectively a subpar move for scum!me

[Titus]

I'm accepting the first proposal thrown my way. Maf don't even think about asking me, thanks! I'm here for a good time! We are having fun, and if you don't wanna have fun this game, don't ask me

Trying to look town?

Town catboi

in 174, andante said "I SR a bunch of gentlemen, I wouldn't be surprised if 4/8 of them are maf". like, it's obviously saying that she has so many scumreads within the gentlemen, she wouldn't be surprised if all scum were gents. and what does guiltylion do? he chops off that part of the post, which is literally right there next to the part he does quote, and posts 180, which frames andante's post as a pure mathematical probability question when it clearly wasn't that, and the context was right there and he removed it and whyyy

but the reason I asked Andante that is because the idea that "4/8 of the gents are mafia" (which actually should be 4/7) is so probabilistically low that it's a ridiculous thing to claim to believe when you have no information at this stage. I don't care how many gents you're scumreading, the odds of it are so low in a vacuum that no one should be saying they think all the mafia are in the gentlemen, I can't grok that as an Intellectually Honest belief. I don't think the context changes anything about my question, that's why I chopped it off. I have a pretty math-y attitude towards these things and Andante's claim is extremely questionable, for me the context changes nothing about the part I quoted and I assumed it wouldn't for anyone else either.

for the record, if I'm mathing right, the odds of 4 mafia gentlemen is like 1%. it changes slightly from an informed perspective, but still

Is improbable speculation a sign of a mafia alignment? This feels like a gotcha more than a legitimate line of inquiry.

i'd totally dance with catboi if i were a lady

[Titus]

I didn't quote my town mctown response to 226 because mobile.

[Andante]

Plus like, if you + LLD were paired and S/S I feel like you could talk people out of SRing LLD

but that's effort

it's much easier to pair with a utr lady, get some *extra* towncred once lld flips red, and cruise

obviously self meta bad etc but i just feel like this is objectively a subpar move for scum!me

yeah true, it's just an idea, like scum has so many options here, not limited to any 1 plan, like, there's 4 of them!!! they could be doing so much right now without us knowing

[Taly]

Before I deepdive, there is a chronological progression that jars me and I don't know what exactly it is yet.

LLD (Titus)

slot wants to pair with me immediately going into the thread.

Cabd (SS) / Prism (Norwe)

shitfight.

LLD

wants me to pair with

Cabd

but

Cabd

townreads

Catboi

while

Prism

adamantly doesn't and scumreads both.

LLD and GL

come at each other.

LLD/Cabd/Prism

rep and

Titus

has effectively the same stance

LLD

did with

GL/Catboi

minus any nuance of

LLD's

progression.

Norwe

wants to read the game before pairing with me but never illustrates what content he read that led him to want to pair with me. His attitude shifted but my alignment did not.

SS

has taken shit this game for some reason.

Like I don't want

Titus/Cabd/GL/SS/Cat/Norwe

to endgame at this point in time, as a first-impression pushback, but this is not realistic anymore. There is also at the VERY LEAST 2 town in this group

[Taly]

I'm frustrated at any push against

Ydrasse

right now and anyone insinuating that I had no agency in considering a pair with

LLD/Titus

,

Ydrasse

,

Prism

, and

Cabd

--- and this includes something

GL

suggested in one of his posts as

LLD

pushing a scum narrative by gatekeeping my pair, as though she had the power to do that.

[Taly]

I'm waving my beak around, if someone wants to put my name in a post it should be directed to me in some form.