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[Taly]

And please, if any of you feel frustration, deadline is in the 3 days, take time off.

[Datisi]

Fire/Datisi, can you digress on your GL townread?

short version is that i feel that the things he's said check out - pairing with me guarantees he's gonna have to have the scum performance of his life to not die. even taking what he's said about not endgaming as scum into account, it feels like it would be much easier for him to survive longer if he paired with like, anyone else. and the amount of analysis and effort feels townie.

[Taly]

Do you have a quote or link on his mention of not endgaming as scum? I can do the homework later but I'm just asking if you already know where it is.

Also encouraging everybody to backup their replies with quotes and links so I have a clearer viewpoint or A to B to C.

[Datisi]

I hate being endgame scum and normally what I aim to do is bully my way to surviving a few days through the easy MLs while making my teammates look as dis-associated as possible, and then sac myself so that they can try to endgame. Part of the reason this strategy is usually necessary is also because I tend to get killed early when I'm town in most games and so me being alive in LIMLO is rather damning most of the time - I recognize that doesn't apply in this setup as much given the lack of traditional NK, but dancing with Datisi and then needing to spend the whole game making sure Datisi doesn't paranoia leave doesn't strike me as something I'd want to do or something I'd be good at.

[Taly]

Thanks

GuiltyLion

, why pair with

Datisi

if you think there's a decent chance of him leaving you?

[Taly]

Also

GL

, what are mislims that you think are easy in this game? IE, who do you think is in any PoE to be left out that you think is a misfire?

[Save The Dragons]

no, I actually don't remember a single thing that StD has even done this game

wow i sung in the begining

[Save The Dragons]

datisi i'll answer your question with a question

what was your opinion on LLD

[Save The Dragons]

i actually feel a little better about GL with some of his posts but some of his posts still ping me

[Save The Dragons]

like the efforting from titus has a more positive aura than the efforting from GL if that makes any sense

[Save The Dragons]

maybe it is possible to play this game like coalition but i think that's unlikely to happen given everyone's disparate town reads

[Datisi]

what was your opinion on LLD

started off decent, the suspicion at guiltylion was okay-ish. i remember thinking some parts of her push were ??? and some i

could

buy coming from town. the timing of it felt a little bit like she was attempting to break up a townblock.

[Save The Dragons]

fair enough

i really liked her for town and titus hasn't dissuaded me but i look forward to seeing what a pt with titus will be like

[Datisi]

any scum candidates other than guiltylion?

[Taly]

what was your opinion on LLD

started off decent, the suspicion at guiltylion was okay-ish. i remember thinking some parts of her push were ??? and some i

could

buy coming from town. the timing of it felt a little bit like she was attempting to break up a townblock.

A townblock composing of?

[Datisi]

me and gl

[Datisi]

the more accurate saying would be "trying to break up two townies townreading each other" but why type so many words

[Taly]

I recall someone saying that

LLD/GL-scum

were capable of that level of distancing. I presume you would strongly disagree.

[Datisi]

i do think they're capable, especially in a setup like this. i just don't think gl is scum individually

[Save The Dragons]

any scum candidates other than guiltylion?

i think marci could still be scum

someone like mala/lily could be scum

rh9 could be scum

norwee could be scum

[marcistar]

i- theres more than 10 pages wtf im crying in pain

anyone who townreads andante has bad reads,

im pretty neutral on andante these days, might have something to do with alyssa saying she is town, whats ur reason on andante scum

this is literally her gameplay strat

her posts are so empty when u look deeper at their meanings :/

I disliked Norwee gesturing toward marcistar in 1339 because it feels manipulative, like he's trying to win the favor of someone who won't want to leave him.

originally i didnt think of it in this way because i feel like norwegianboyee has said something very similar before,

Idk why but Marcistar is like… really good at reading me? Even when everyone else fails at it?

I have a lot of respect for their tonal reads is what i’m saying. So high hopes for this mindmeld on T3 here.

and i was a bit paranoid about him here after this, but he winded up being town so i didnt really think it would indicate too much for him to do it here.

I feel like norwee would be getting more butthurt at getting incorrectly sussed as town. I hate that that's a Thing at all, but I can't really avoid thinking it.

i can see how u think this

the reason i signed up as a gentleman was i wanted to have more choice instead of just getting an arranged marriage :/
ill take ur opinion into consideration.

Who would you pair with?

someone whos not totally inactive, but someone who wont make me drown from how much they speak :/

I just feel like the whole "idk... ummm Hey Taly. approval?" is like trying to shift responsibility to Taly, so if it's a S/S partnering which it could be (cause Dragons hasn't done anything) you're just wanting Taly on board "or else I accept the other offer" like what?? Shouldn't this just be who you see yourself working with the best, OR who you TR? This whole situation feels odd to me, ESPECIALLY the "Otherwise, I likely accept Galron's proposal "

+ shes trying to make taly think higher of her by making sure hes not overloaded.

Who am i to solve the game without your guidance.

if i proposed would u help me solve t-t

Marcistar goes with mala.

i wouldn't wanna be with her, i dont think ive played with her before so i wouldnt know how to help her, or how to even read her.

1566 the guiltylions wall she quoted, is soo much for me to read i barely got much from it cuz i just lost interest :/ is that why she hates it as well?

Her readslist is super marci-centric at a time marci was getting scumread, she basically asks half of the players in the game why they're suspicious/scumreading marci. Even if lily isn't a forum mafia vet, I can't see even a newbie scum tying themselves to a suspected buddy so blatantly like this with their first posts of the game.

i was trying to look for a meme, but i couldnt find it.
but me and lily buddy alot as either alignment.

thoughts on lily are making me reevaluate. the more I sit with it the more I think if marci is town then those lily posts are worse than I had thought. I still don't think it's S/S energy but I do think lily seems like she both wants to buddy marci but also doesn't want to actually be tied to her.

I'm kinda hoping to see some marci thoughts on that, either in the pages I'm in the process of reading or in the near future.

im not surprised if she doesnt wanna be tied to me, i think shes paranoid because of my other friends stories, but doesnt wanna be left out of the dance as well.
and whenever shes paranoid abt me shes usually town so like :shrug:
if shes scum she wont be paranoid abt me, but still tries to play me to her advantage and humor me in most of my scumreads. tho usually then i get on her case and she just rolls over and dies.

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

scummy.

I did wonder at the time if LLD was wrongTown and one of, or both, of marci/galron were aiming for this well-poisoning effect. That's definitely a narrative I can imagine, and LLD then proposing to pair herself with Taly also felt like it might be a Town Move.

why didnt u bring up this point before? :< whyd u wait until someone else did?

I think forgetting that you just paired EE also feels like the whole thing is more likely to be fake. like I think the cognitive load of scum having to lie about their reads on all the slots makes messing up and double pairing more likely than if you're town who's genuinely working through each slot thinking about who is remaining after you decide on a pair.

@

MARCI

, @

Norwee

- what do you two think about this point in particular? It's similar (though not quite exactly the same) to how I was on scum!Vanders forgetting who was in which grouping in the game we played together, so you've seen me nail scum on a similar point before. Is town!Titus likely to forget she wanted Norway and Datisi paired together?

i think since its one more gentleman than ladies, that its reasonable enough that it would be confusing.
but she had a couple other mistakes when she was doing the pairing og, like didnt she try to pair ydrasse x lily, even tho theyre both ladies?
idk if titus is the type to forget easily when making pairings, but why wouldnt her making mess ups be read as "townie because shes not thinking too hard about her posts being perfect"?

angielily has been prodded

bet shes not coming back

1708 this feels really weird to me for some reason..?

i mean, that's the part i find unlikely

why not..? i know if i was in his shoes i would prob wanna continue catching up first as well (since i have a bad memory i wanna finish what i started first : P)

i do like marci's walls, though i am a bit worried because she's not interacting much elsewhere? like, i'm projecting a bit here but scum!me loves doing walls bc it gives me time to plan shit out while in-the-moment sorting is much more difficult to fake and also mentally draining. and i don't see marci like, doing much other than those walls so

granted, the content in the walls feels solid, and i know some people just have a playstyle of walls, so i'll probably revisit this when the time comes - i modded two marci towngames, you'd *think* i'd be somewhat aware of her general playstyle by now but uhhh. i'll recheck those games at some point.

i dont know how often i do walls tbh, but what i do know is ever since tarot as scum i would prefer to be hella more inactive, that game actually scared me so much

You can pair with whoever you want!!! the other gents had plenty of time to steal ydra if they wanted, I support your decisions!!! Like, so much of this game has been others going "IC should do this" like, do whatever you want to do!! I'll get more serious after pairs happen, idk I joined this for fun, not to be mega serious, obviously I'll look for scum, but am also here for a good time!! it feels like people are stressing you out :/

Why are you putting your read on me, on taly? like, it's not taly's fault, just like if we end up losing, I do not blame taly. way too manypeople here are like "I'm just doing what taly says" that's an insane amount of pressure. I don't care who you are. like, people seem to be expecting taly to have had this game solved from the start, there's definitely at least 1 scum going all "taly I follow you" or "tally is this ok" people are trying to break taly before the true fun this game even begins...

i kinda agree with this tho, scum probably has plenty of reason just to play follow the leader with taly, but i trust taly knows what hes doing.

Somebody smack me if I post anymore in this game today. I'm a bit concerned my mental health, while not in a severely bad place, may be suggesting to me that I need to be in total control to be listened to. I need to reflect on that and let the thread breathe. The reason for my mental health concerns has zero to deal with mafia and more to deal with resurfacing trauma from my marriage. So it's nothing anyone in this game did. No post here triggered it at all. In fact, I'm not sure what did at all but I know what didn't.

aa i hope the break today helps u feel a bit better, dont feel like u need to post more today the game will always be here tmmrw and ur mental health is more important : )

[marcistar]

+ shes trying to make taly think higher of her by making sure hes not overloaded.

i forgot to explain more on this
its a + to the list of reasons why shes scum :/

[Datisi]

why not..? i know if i was in his shoes i would prob wanna continue catching up first as well (since i have a bad memory i wanna finish what i started first : P)

it's my personality read on norwee

[Taly]

What I have trouble with is that

LLD/Titus

have both actively taken the role to advise me when I prompted them and neither of them pointed me in the direction of reading any one slot in a particular light. This strikes me very likely to come from a town mindset because they had my full attention when they each had aggressively pushed someone but did not want to influence how I viewed the game at the time. It felt like they would rather be listened to or heeded than to be correct or have their perspective supported by the IC. Their advice likelier came from a place of sincerity.

And if I lean onto this, then the

GL

V

LLD/Titus

already contains 1 town, and I am not persuaded on the "they are S/S" narrative and feel it could be a scumsiding one.

So my next idea is to review each 1v1 in greater detail while giving voice to the current POV on

GL

to see if he may remain or not

But that's entirely my choice as I feel that you have a somewhat sound perspective of not pairing with

GL

under the notion that they are just very strongly town, but you seem to have a solving approach to his slot.

It's a bit grating to consider this is TvT because again, I find

LLD/Titus

to be playing at a high volume this game, and I need to context to better inform my decision about

GL

as he is the unpaired party here.

As for

Titus/Dragons

, I do not think they are S/S, but I do wonder what

Titus

saw in a PT with him if she would like to say.

[Taly]

But that's NOT entirely my choice as I feel that you have a somewhat sound perspective of not pairing with GL under the notion that they are just very strongly town, but you seem to have a solving approach to his slot.

Damn phonepost. Haha please read this edit. It changes the vibe a lot.