Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[DArby]

Scum will avoid being stacked together - this is exactly why playing to try and lock 3 scum together is a good idea. Basically it lets us read the way in which people push back on plans that are formed, and try to interpret them.

But it’s a small shot in the dark tho. I’d say our efforts are better put in managing slots for d2.

[VP Baltar]

here's the old game.
here's the old scum PT.

Here is the one I was in
and the scum chat for it

This game was a scum sweep. The won the keep and then won the wall.

Scum locked in pretty early this game, all three scum were in the first 4 vote ins

which is why i think your early lock in was quite scummy

Agreed.

You agree Luke is scummy or that scum locked in early?

[implosion]

If Luke played in a game where scum swept by locking in early, why would it imply he's scummy for locking in early here? Can't it also be the opposite, that he's seen early-lock ins as an effective scum strategy and is trying to counter that?

[Aristeia]

town unilaterally locking in would give scum cover to unilaterally lock in

you can't support consensus assignments while unilaterally locking yourself in.

The way to effectively counter scum early lock in would be to policy the first locker if they do not wait for consensus.

[Lukewarm]

I generally don't think that everyone should be locking in before assignments are made, which is why I said that everyone should not do it, as I did it. I selfishly made the selfish decision like a week ago that I was gonna lock myself in right away based off of how the last game played out.

If you feel that unilateral lock ins are bad, why did you unilaterally lock yourself in immediately upon seeing me? It looked liked you decided that you getting to buddy up with Tanner this game was more important to you then doing consensus assignments. Well, I decided not getting pushed out of the keep two games in a row was more important to me then doing consensus assignments.

I have more thoughts on your lock in that kinda annoy me (but I don't think are scummy, just annoyed) but would out your main if I brought it up, so I will avoid it.

[Lukewarm]

Are there other people out there who have preferences for the game that they are in, or a preference for who they end up with?

[Lukewarm]

Are there other people out there who have preferences for the game that they are in, or a preference for who they end up with?

Looking back, I see Toog saying that they have no preference and then DArby saying that they want the

DArby, do you have any thoughts on who would go with you?

None of Imaginality, Implosion, numberQ, VP Baltar have said anything one way or the other

[Lukewarm]

Looking back, I see Toog saying that they have no preference and then DArby saying that they want the

Gate

DArby, do you have any thoughts on who would go with you?

None of Imaginality, Implosion, numberQ, VP Baltar have said anything one way or the other

[Lukewarm]

@Everyone, how good would you rate yourself in Elo?

[imaginality]

Are there other people out there who have preferences for the game that they are in, or a preference for who they end up with?

Looking back, I see Toog saying that they have no preference and then DArby saying that they want the

DArby, do you have any thoughts on who would go with you?

None of Imaginality, Implosion, numberQ, VP Baltar have said anything one way or the other

Doesn't matter to me, they all seem like interesting setups.
I do think it's important players give clear views on the players in the other minigames to maximise the info that we get when the first minigame flips. Compared to focusing just on the game they're in

[VP Baltar]

None of Imaginality, Implosion, numberQ, VP Baltar have said anything one way or the other

Speaking for myself, I don't think I'm very good at mechanics, so as I stated I don't have a strong preference. Because of where my vla is likely to land, I think the first or third minigame might make the most sense for me.

My instinct is maybe putting scummy people and one strong town read in the Gate?

Was reading the game implosion linked, and it looked quite easy for scummy to get 1-1-1, so idk how effective strategizing will end up being. Like I said, feels like the best plan is to optimize minigame outcomes.

I will say, I give small +town points to implosion for spouting off his optimal strategy. He talks about it in the scum PT for that old game. Seems like it wouldn't need to be mentioned before I asked for a link if he were scum.

[VP Baltar]

Actually maybe 3 scummiest at the gate?

[Aristeia]

If you feel that unilateral lock ins are bad, why did you unilaterally lock yourself in immediately upon seeing me? It looked liked you decided that you getting to buddy up with Tanner this game was more important to you then doing consensus assignments. Well, I decided not getting pushed out of the keep two games in a row was more important to me then doing consensus assignments.

consensus assignments are either done or they are not done

there is no middle ground

I believe it is optimal for town to do consensus assignments but if it is broken, there is no point.

[Aristeia]

I have more thoughts on your lock in that kinda annoy me (but I don't think are scummy, just annoyed) but would out your main if I brought it up, so I will avoid it.

ok

[Aristeia]

@Everyone, how good would you rate yourself in Elo?

I am pretty bad probably

[VP Baltar]

@Everyone, how good would you rate yourself in Elo?

I think I'm alright. Depends who it is with though.

[Lukewarm]

Because of where my vla is likely to land, I think the first or third minigame might make the most sense for me.

The games don't happen in any set order, they can be resolved in what ever way we choose.

I think we clear the Gate first? But I am not really sure if thats the best way to do it

[VP Baltar]

Because of where my vla is likely to land, I think the first or third minigame might make the most sense for me.

The games don't happen in any set order, they can be resolved in what ever way we choose.

I think we clear the Gate first? But I am not really sure if thats the best way to do it

Oh good point. Gate seemed logical to me to clear first wince it seems easiest for town.

[Lukewarm]

consensus assignments are either done or they are not done

there is no middle ground

I believe it is optimal for town to do consensus assignments but if it is broken, there is no point.

I disagree on a single vote in breaking consensus choices. I mean, other then you and me, every one else has held off and is open to talking about it.

Like, with Implosions plan of putting the 3 towniest in one game, the 3 scummiest in another, and 3 nulls in the last still would have worked perfectly fine. What ever category I landed in would go with me to the Keep. Now that you have voted in too, now it means that it will only work if you and I end up at the same consensus read.

And like, if you are town and think I am scum, then from you pov, you locking in to the keep with me eliminated the possibility to put your three biggest scum reads together to go for the day 1 win

[Lukewarm]

Uh, actually, I think I am gonna drop that actually - I can just accept vote power in Day 2.

[Lukewarm]

[quote="In post 161, VP Baltar"][/quote]

I think that any game where we put the three scummiest people, is going to make that a really hard game, no matter where it goes.

So, 3 scummiest goes to the Gate, one becomes an IC, and then that player is left to sort the two scummiest players in the game. So, would be a hard choice.

3 scummiest at the Wall is a 3 man scummy elo

3 scummiest at the keep makes the easiest town win hard.

[Lukewarm]

What about putting who ever is the best at Elo at the gate? A good elo player getting the IC could be good?

[imaginality]

@Everyone, how good would you rate yourself in Elo?

I'm good in elo as scum.

This is my first chance to be in elo as town since my return, so we'll see.

In terms of the order the games resolve I think we should commit now to a consensus approach to that ie. we agree we will resolve the game that will give most info to the other games first. E.g. If we are pretty sure A and B aren't scum buddies and they're in different locations then we should resolve a game with one of them in first, all else being equal.

[VP Baltar]

What about putting who ever is the best at Elo at the gate? A good elo player getting the IC could be good?

No idea how we actually determine who is good at elo and what those criteria are....

[Lukewarm]

Well me and Ari both openly said we are bad at Elo, so we don't go to the gate lol