Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[VP Baltar]

-but #74 and questioning VP's townread on him in #103 seems town

I never stated a townread on Tanner. Haven't made up my mind there just yet

[Tanner]

that post was me questioning implo's read on me. part of me wants to say that means the team is imaginality/implosion/baltar because why else would he mix up you two, but realistically i know it's probably just a mistake.

[Prism]

Guardian Assignment Tracker 1.3

Location	Guardians
Gate (0)
Keep (2)	Lukewarm (28), Aristeia (36)
Wall (0)
Unassigned (7)	numberQ, Tanner, DArby, imaginality, Toogeloo, VP Baltar, implosion

7 Guardians remain unassigned. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-23 10:50:00).

[Tanner]

if i were to be a tad more serious, i'd say the cognitive dissonance between listing majorly negative things for baltar and then ending up with a townread on him anyway is somewhat likely to be s/s. i usually dislike doing preflip this early in the game, but the setup kind of supports it, and not sure what else i got right now.

[Tanner]

hm. i just realized none of those three are assigned yet. we could shove them into the same location.

[VP Baltar]

like, i was reading along, and i started thinking how baltar's posting mostly mech discussion and not many reads, which struck me as somewhat +scum (citation needed maybe, i'll check at some point). then i came to your post, and i thought how it's nice we're mindmelding, and then boom, you're actually townreading him because ???.

Me, a player who is bad at mech, trying to talk to people to better understand the approach to a mech heavy setup in the first 24 hours of the thread is +scum?

Pardon me, but I have a hard time thinking you actually believe this.

Additionally, do you think I am not forming reads from these conversations? You literally just saw me as town in a game where it took me forever to form solid reads, and only after a painful cycling through of some bad reads.

[VP Baltar]

hm. i just realized none of those three are assigned yet. we could shove them into the same location.

Looks like a potential town bloc to me. So sure. Where would you put us?

(Also, only two people are assigned, so making a point like that group is avoiding assignment sounds forced)

[VP Baltar]

Tanner, what's your read on Ari?

[Tanner]

Me, a player who is bad at mech, trying to talk to people to better understand the approach to a mech heavy setup in the first 24 hours of the thread is +scum?

...no, my problem was that is seemed like you were all-mech no-reads. some-mech some-reads is fine.

Additionally, do you think I am not forming reads from these conversations? You literally just saw me as town in a game where it took me forever to form solid reads, and only after a painful cycling through of some bad reads.

yes, that's the impression i got, the one thing i found to be you explicitly expressing a read on someone was saying implo was townie. the only thing about year reads that i actually remember was that you formed a townlean on me that i thought was way too easy and way too early.

hm. i just realized none of those three are assigned yet. we could shove them into the same location.

Looks like a potential town bloc to me. So sure. Where would you put us?

(Also, only two people are assigned, so making a point like that group is avoiding assignment sounds forced)

i want to say gate, so that i don't end up there. other than that, i don't really have any thoughts which is better.

and. uh. where the hell did you get the idea that

that

is the point i was trying to make? like, i think it's pretty clear my thought process was "hey, here's a potential reason on why these three people could be our scumteam" (201) to "oh shit, they're all unassigned, we can test this theory out!" (204) i was saying absolutely nothing about it being "scummy" or that you're "avoiding assignment" - like, i am the first person here who's stalling on my own assignment, why would i ever be making that point?

Tanner, what's your read on Ari?

more likely town than not. i realized why my read shouldn't be as simple as "ari is doing a thing that's a potential loss with no gain as scum", since she can always just, walk back. but it still feels sincere in a sense, she's not actually bad at reading me when she's town, so i can definitely see town!motivation in what she's doing - getting us to a same location *and* reading my reactions in the process.

[VP Baltar]

you formed a townlean on me

Huh? In this game?

[VP Baltar]

where the hell did you get the idea that that is the point i was trying to make?

It was a very clear subtext of what you said. Seemed like you're trying to shade

[Tanner]

the only thing about

your

reads

from that game

that i actually remember was that you formed a townlean on me that i thought was way too easy and way too early.

how did i type "your" as "year".

[VP Baltar]

more likely town than not.

My hottest take is that I do not think you and Ari are T/T.

I find the interactions between you two performative. I am not certain who is what yet unfortunately

[Tanner]

where the hell did you get the idea that that is the point i was trying to make?

It was a very clear subtext of what you said. Seemed like you're trying to shade

shade someone for not assigning to a location. when the game is 24 hours old. when i have been adamant in stalling my own assignment. when i have expressed dislike jumping at assignments immediately. when 3 seconds ago i mentioned an unrelated reason for suspecting a team.

my first thought here is that you're

heavily

stretching to accuse me of doing scummy shit. but maybe i'm biased because i know what i meant to say. so, does anyone else read 204 as me shading those three people for not assigning yet?

[Tanner]

I find the interactions between you two performative. I am not certain who is what yet unfortunately

arisetia likes me (for whatever reason), she does this... every game we play in. what else do you find performative?

[VP Baltar]

You said you "just realized" we weren't assigned...as if that were some kind of surprising insight to you. You either chose your words poorly, or you were choosing words to make it seem like some kind of 'ah ha' that in reality makes no sense.

[Tanner]

so i can definitely see town!motivation in what she's doing - getting us to a same location *and* reading my reactions in the process.

to add to this, keep is literally the worst location for her and me to go to together if she's scum. because there is a real chance that, if she refuses to vote for me on the keep, i start scumreading her because of it, and vote the third person. so again, either she's forced to use the swap on one of us, or she insta-loses the keep for scum.

[VP Baltar]

I think maybe I could go to Keep with you, it would be a fun date <3

Where would you like me to go?

if we're playing seriously - i'd want you to go to gate if you're town. i want you to be town, but it's obviously too early to tell.

gosh you can't tell I am town already?

Performative

[Tanner]

You said you "just realized" we weren't assigned...as if that were some kind of surprising insight to you. You either chose your words poorly, or you were choosing words to make it seem like some kind of 'ah ha' that in reality makes no sense.

i mean, it's not surprising, it's just... the moment i put two and two together. "i have a teamread on three people" > "this setup encourages teamreads" > "yeah, because of the assignments to locations" > "wait, scum loses if all 3 are at the same spot, i have a teamread, and none of them have been assigned yet" > "oh, we can test the theory out!". like, if you had asked me whether any of the three of you are assigned yet, OF COURSE i'd know none of you are. but it took me a moment to realize how that can be used.

[VP Baltar]

Like, maybe this is how Ari is with you all the time...in which case that's meta I don't know.

But if I was in your position, I'd find those kind of interactions with me scummy and pocketing efforts.

[Tanner]

it's not the moment i "just realized" the three of you aren't assigned, it's the moment i realized i can use that to try to force a loss in you indeed are the scumteam. but i didn't type it all out because i figured it's gonna be obvious to everyone that i didn't mean to say that i just figured out what the assignments are.

[VP Baltar]

Do you think implosion/vp/imaginality is a legitimate solve?

[VP Baltar]

it's the moment i realized i can use that to try to force a loss in you indeed are the scumteam.

You just realized a major mechanic in the setup that you've already commented is unlikely to actually happen

[Tanner]

Like, maybe this is how Ari is with you all the time...in which case that's meta I don't know.

But if I was in your position, I'd find those kind of interactions with me scummy and pocketing efforts.

pretty much, yeah. the thing is, i don't see

how

that pocket benefits her. both of us end up at the keep, she votes me, i self-hammer... my townread on her in that scenario is completely irrelevant. it could potentially be a pocket for after she swaps herself or me, but in that case i'd reevaluate anyway.

[Tanner]

Do you think implosion/vp/imaginality is a legitimate solve?

i wouldn't bet my life on it. but it's the only thing so far that actually gave me a feeling of "hey, maybe these three people are scum together", so i don't see the harm in chasing after it. especially as i think none of you expressed any preference in which game you play.

it's the moment i realized i can use that to try to force a loss in you indeed are the scumteam.

You just realized a major mechanic in the setup that you've already commented is unlikely to actually happen

it took me a moment to connect "scum lose if all three are in the same place" and "i have three people that i think are scum" into "we can force them into the same location". what's your point?