Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Harley Quinn]

Ftr if galron and SS are TvT, then this pairing gets turbo killed

Which pairing do you mean and why?

Because the odds of a scum being in that pairing goes up due to how it came about

Shiro replaced in and both halves just appeared with zero input and without any regard to the rest of the game. If the remaining 3 slots were town, that immediately raises red flags.

does it matter to u those two have a history

No.

This post kind’ve bothers me because why wouldn’t you take that into account? I’m assuming it’s the exact same reason Angie wanted to pair with Marci.

Alyssa, I would like your response to this please.

[Shiro]

Ftr if galron and SS are TvT, then this pairing gets turbo killed

Which pairing do you mean and why?

Because the odds of a scum being in that pairing goes up due to how it came about

Shiro replaced in and both halves just appeared with zero input and without any regard to the rest of the game. If the remaining 3 slots were town, that immediately raises red flags.

Zero regard for the game? If anything picking a person that you know well helps better read them and know if you need to leave.

That was bad wording

I mean without taking into account what the gamestate needs

What's the needs of the game state over the pursue of happiness Alyssa?

[Andante]

Norwee and Titus, it literally feels like anytime I say anything both yall just go "ew" or" yeah andante scum" like seriously, this is getting old. rather than just head to bed I figured I'd jumpin here, try and talk with people, but literally when yall say stuff like you do, it makes me not even care anymore. last time it was Titus, this time it's Norwee, like seriously. if yall hate what I'm saying so much, tell me what you want. not just "give me reads list" like if yall are town, you should be trying to realize I'm actually town, cause let me say, the way people are acting towards me this game is the biggest reason I'm lacking any motivation to care.

I can relate but your not one of the people I hold responsible for that in my case anyway. So who do you think is scum here? I don’t think it’s you because of Happy Face but I’m not sure who is yet.

Well I was going to look for this s/s pair that I believe we have tonight, I figured that's a good start, but we have killed my mood for the night so that's not happening, and I also really need to find t/t pairs, cause my normal ISO strat is going to go nowhere with all the replacements. I'm just gonna get a good nights sleep and comeback to this.
Like, I know I haven't outed strong reads like everyone or whatever, but truth is, there's been nothing I felt was read worthy, I felt like saying "oh hey these gentlemen are scum" cause that's what others were doing, and I figured I'd gain reactions. nope. I have no idea how people were outing super confident "endgame reads" before we even got the mala flip, like, idk, I'd play this game completely differently to how everyone else is playing, and that's why we're at 2500 posts, and most people don't have mega confident reads... Alyssa is like the main person I've liked though, she's felt very relatable with a lot of comments made, so gun to my head, she's town. like, there was a comment like "I should just disappear till pairs are done" and I was sitting here like, yeah same... and not pulling up her ISO, she had other ones when I was like "yep. I'm feeling exactly the same right now" plus her passing on fire when scum!Alyssa easily could've paired with fire, and like, waited late to pair? she's probably town, but a singular townread gets me nowhere here without having a read on the partner, and I have no read on RH9 yet

[Shiro]

Like, I know I haven't outed strong reads like everyone or whatever, but truth is, there's been nothing I felt was read worthy, I felt like saying "oh hey these gentlemen are scum" cause that's what others were doing, and I figured I'd gain reactions. nope. I have no idea how people were outing super confident "endgame reads" before we even got the mala flip, like, idk, I'd play this game completely differently to how everyone else is playing, and that's why we're at 2500 posts, and most people don't have mega confident reads... Alyssa is like the main person I've liked though, she's felt very relatable with a lot of comments made, so gun to my head, she's town. like, there was a comment like "I should just disappear till pairs are done" and I was sitting here like, yeah same... and not pulling up her ISO, she had other ones when I was like "yep. I'm feeling exactly the same right now" plus her passing on fire when scum!Alyssa easily could've paired with fire, and like, waited late to pair? she's probably town, but a singular townread gets me nowhere here without having a read on the partner, and I have no read on RH9 yet

Most people that day 1 spew ultra confident reads are just wrong 90% of the time don't think much about it.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Ftr if galron and SS are TvT, then this pairing gets turbo killed

Which pairing do you mean and why?

Because the odds of a scum being in that pairing goes up due to how it came about

Shiro replaced in and both halves just appeared with zero input and without any regard to the rest of the game. If the remaining 3 slots were town, that immediately raises red flags.

does it matter to u those two have a history

No.

This post kind’ve bothers me because why wouldn’t you take that into account? I’m assuming it’s the exact same reason Angie wanted to pair with Marci.

Alyssa, I would like your response to this please.

Because like it or not, the setup swings away from a town advantage when this is the primary method that people pair up with, especially when we're this close to the end of the pairing stage with several people that still need to partner up

I can very easily see this being a double reason to do so

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Like 90% of the problems I see in this type of setup for town are just really awkward pairings

Really awkward pairings scumside the setup... so it's realistic that scum would look to create more rather than less of them.

[Shiro]

Because like it or not, the setup swings away from a town advantage when this is the primary method that people pair up with, especially when we're this close to the end of the pairing stage with several people that still need to partner up

I can very easily see this being a double reason to do so

In my experience with dance games, it has never worked trying to min max pairing. Like ever. People just do what they feel like doing.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Plus there's four scum and not just three, so there could be up to half of our pairings having scum in them.

If you have better ideas for where to start getting flips, feel free to out them.

[Shiro]

Like 90% of the problems I see in this type of setup for town are just really awkward pairings

Really awkward pairings scumside the setup... so it's realistic that scum would look to create more rather than less of them.

I agree with you but dance games people some times specifically join to partner up with specific people. Like me and Fire, this is the first time we aren't paired in a dance game we are together. Usually we pair up about 3- pages in with complete disregard about anything else. Is it optimal ? Nah. Is it fun ? You bet.

[Andante]

Like, I know I haven't outed strong reads like everyone or whatever, but truth is, there's been nothing I felt was read worthy, I felt like saying "oh hey these gentlemen are scum" cause that's what others were doing, and I figured I'd gain reactions. nope. I have no idea how people were outing super confident "endgame reads" before we even got the mala flip, like, idk, I'd play this game completely differently to how everyone else is playing, and that's why we're at 2500 posts, and most people don't have mega confident reads... Alyssa is like the main person I've liked though, she's felt very relatable with a lot of comments made, so gun to my head, she's town. like, there was a comment like "I should just disappear till pairs are done" and I was sitting here like, yeah same... and not pulling up her ISO, she had other ones when I was like "yep. I'm feeling exactly the same right now" plus her passing on fire when scum!Alyssa easily could've paired with fire, and like, waited late to pair? she's probably town, but a singular townread gets me nowhere here without having a read on the partner, and I have no read on RH9 yet

Most people that day 1 spew ultra confident reads are just wrong 90% of the time don't think much about it.

But like, "day 1" was 2500 posts of that, everyone had reads as a takeaway, except me, and now people want to SR me for not doing more/having better reads?? Like, what good would it even do if I sat there screaming my scumreads were right, this feels like the better phase to do it.

People I have in the likely scum pool include: Norwee, Titus, Dragons
And the people I have no read on is much much longer cause I ignored half the people day 1, now there's replacements, and I need to remember who was who

I'm getting a good night's sleep then coming back to this in a better mindset tomorrow, and if possible, I'd rather not be having people make comments like "ew" to posts Imake. if you don't like something just say what part? not exactly that hard, we're all mature people...

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Because like it or not, the setup swings away from a town advantage when this is the primary method that people pair up with, especially when we're this close to the end of the pairing stage with several people that still need to partner up

I can very easily see this being a double reason to do so

In my experience with dance games, it has never worked trying to min max pairing. Like ever. People just do what they feel like doing.

Most of the pairings have not been yolo pairings like how most of the ones I've played have.

The only ones I would consider yolo pairings are yours and fire/andante's. Norwe/Marci is borderline

Every other pairing has been aggregate pairings in some way.

[Andante]

Is it optimal ? Nah. Is it fun ? You bet.

LMAOOOO I LOVE SHIRO

[Andante]

We needed more people like Shiro early game

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Like 90% of the problems I see in this type of setup for town are just really awkward pairings

Really awkward pairings scumside the setup... so it's realistic that scum would look to create more rather than less of them.

I agree with you but dance games people some times specifically join to partner up with specific people. Like me and Fire, this is the first time we aren't paired in a dance game we are together. Usually we pair up about 3- pages in with complete disregard about anything else. Is it optimal ? Nah. Is it fun ? You bet.

It's different having one pairing happen on page three and its another thing to have a yolo pairing happen when we're trying to figure out where the last couple of pairings go

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I think I'm done with dance setups after this one

[Shiro]

Because like it or not, the setup swings away from a town advantage when this is the primary method that people pair up with, especially when we're this close to the end of the pairing stage with several people that still need to partner up

I can very easily see this being a double reason to do so

In my experience with dance games, it has never worked trying to min max pairing. Like ever. People just do what they feel like doing.

Most of the pairings have not been yolo pairings like how most of the ones I've played have.

The only ones I would consider yolo pairings are yours and fire/andante's. Norwe/Marci is borderline

Every other pairing has been aggregate pairings in some way.

What kind of alien game did I enter? At least fire is keeping up with tradition. xD

[Harley Quinn]

Norwee and Titus, it literally feels like anytime I say anything both yall just go "ew" or" yeah andante scum" like seriously, this is getting old. rather than just head to bed I figured I'd jumpin here, try and talk with people, but literally when yall say stuff like you do, it makes me not even care anymore. last time it was Titus, this time it's Norwee, like seriously. if yall hate what I'm saying so much, tell me what you want. not just "give me reads list" like if yall are town, you should be trying to realize I'm actually town, cause let me say, the way people are acting towards me this game is the biggest reason I'm lacking any motivation to care.

I can relate but your not one of the people I hold responsible for that in my case anyway. So who do you think is scum here? I don’t think it’s you because of Happy Face but I’m not sure who is yet.

Well I was going to look for this s/s pair that I believe we have tonight, I figured that's a good start, but we have killed my mood for the night so that's not happening, and I also really need to find t/t pairs, cause my normal ISO strat is going to go nowhere with all the replacements. I'm just gonna get a good nights sleep and comeback to this.
Like, I know I haven't outed strong reads like everyone or whatever, but truth is, there's been nothing I felt was read worthy, I felt like saying "oh hey these gentlemen are scum" cause that's what others were doing, and I figured I'd gain reactions. nope. I have no idea how people were outing super confident "endgame reads" before we even got the mala flip, like, idk, I'd play this game completely differently to how everyone else is playing, and that's why we're at 2500 posts, and most people don't have mega confident reads... Alyssa is like the main person I've liked though, she's felt very relatable with a lot of comments made, so gun to my head, she's town. like, there was a comment like "I should just disappear till pairs are done" and I was sitting here like, yeah same... and not pulling up her ISO, she had other ones when I was like "yep. I'm feeling exactly the same right now" plus her passing on fire when scum!Alyssa easily could've paired with fire, and like, waited late to pair? she's probably town, but a singular townread gets me nowhere here without having a read on the partner, and I have no read on RH9 yet

Actually scum!Alyssa would never pair with Fire, especially town!Fire because of his meta of leaving his dance partners.

Yeah, we will probably have a much better idea after a scum flip. I’m not shocked by Mala flip, I was tl her. I think there’s likely at least a few slots that are getting wrongly tr but couldn’t tell you who rn.

[RH9]

Ftr if galron and SS are TvT, then this pairing gets turbo killed

Which pairing do you mean and why?

Because the odds of a scum being in that pairing goes up due to how it came about

Shiro replaced in and both halves just appeared with zero input and without any regard to the rest of the game. If the remaining 3 slots were town, that immediately raises red flags.

Zero regard for the game? If anything picking a person that you know well helps better read them and know if you need to leave.

I think that Alyssa probably confused you with somebody else.

EBWOP

But Alyssa knows exactly who Shiro is, so who do you think she mixed him up with?

IDK. I just don't think that Alyssa was talking about Shiro. And plus, I once confused Taly with Titus, despite knowing who both are.

[RH9]

Double scum pairing have won before, I was there.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's never good. I don't think it would have been good in this situation.

Considering Mala was town, I think we have a S/S pairing here, so 3 scum pairs 5 town pairs, that's like most believable to me, and makes the most sense.

but hey, my thoughts don't matter according to people here so whatever

They do. Don't give up.

Maybe this will make you feel better.

[Harley Quinn]

Ftr if galron and SS are TvT, then this pairing gets turbo killed

Which pairing do you mean and why?

Because the odds of a scum being in that pairing goes up due to how it came about

Shiro replaced in and both halves just appeared with zero input and without any regard to the rest of the game. If the remaining 3 slots were town, that immediately raises red flags.

does it matter to u those two have a history

No.

This post kind’ve bothers me because why wouldn’t you take that into account? I’m assuming it’s the exact same reason Angie wanted to pair with Marci.

Alyssa, I would like your response to this please.

Because like it or not, the setup swings away from a town advantage when this is the primary method that people pair up with, especially when we're this close to the end of the pairing stage with several people that still need to partner up

I can very easily see this being a double reason to do so

But I don’t see why you would sr that though? I also did tl cb anyway and I think/hope Shiro could probably read me. So yeah, I 100% jumped at the chance to pair with him. Damned good thing too because in CA, I left town!galron at elo and we lost, so I don’t consider myself to be a particularly great judge at being able to accurately parse him in a PT. If I couldn’t do it in CA, why would I be so much better at being able to do that here?

[Shiro]

Like 90% of the problems I see in this type of setup for town are just really awkward pairings

Really awkward pairings scumside the setup... so it's realistic that scum would look to create more rather than less of them.

I agree with you but dance games people some times specifically join to partner up with specific people. Like me and Fire, this is the first time we aren't paired in a dance game we are together. Usually we pair up about 3- pages in with complete disregard about anything else. Is it optimal ? Nah. Is it fun ? You bet.

It's different having one pairing happen on page three and its another thing to have a yolo pairing happen when we're trying to figure out where the last couple of pairings go

Fair fair, tbh the only difference here is that Mala would have been my partner most likely(Assuming I didnt get the Harley is Nancy memo), meaning that Harley would have paired up with Garlon.

Honestly I think one of them is scum, most likely Garlon,

Scum tend to wait to pick so all lady scum are paired.

Has there ever been a lady scum left on pre dance?

[Shiro]

Is it optimal ? Nah. Is it fun ? You bet.

LMAOOOO I LOVE SHIRO

[Something_Smart]

Honestly I think one of them is scum, most likely Garlon,

Scum tend to wait to pick so all lady scum are paired.

Galron proposed to four different people. The reason he was last is that nobody wanted to pair with him.

[Shiro]

Honestly I think one of them is scum, most likely Garlon,

Scum tend to wait to pick so all lady scum are paired.

Galron proposed to four different people. The reason he was last is that nobody wanted to pair with him.

Oh, wel damn....now I feel kinda sorry

[Harley Quinn]

Like 90% of the problems I see in this type of setup for town are just really awkward pairings

Really awkward pairings scumside the setup... so it's realistic that scum would look to create more rather than less of them.

I agree with you but dance games people some times specifically join to partner up with specific people. Like me and Fire, this is the first time we aren't paired in a dance game we are together. Usually we pair up about 3- pages in with complete disregard about anything else. Is it optimal ? Nah. Is it fun ? You bet.

It's different having one pairing happen on page three and its another thing to have a yolo pairing happen when we're trying to figure out where the last couple of pairings go

Fair fair, tbh the only difference here is that Mala would have been my partner most likely(Assuming I didnt get the Harley is Nancy memo), meaning that Harley would have paired up with Garlon.

Honestly I think one of them is scum, most likely Garlon,

Scum tend to wait to pick so all lady scum are paired.

Has there ever been a lady scum left on pre dance?

galron did pair earlier in pair game. He’s a hard read and nothing against SS but I think Mala could have given us a better read on him? SS, your read on galron? galron, same question.