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[Alyssa The Lamb]

Having close to FOUR is a huge sign that you're being had

[GuiltyLion]

ND have you ever scumread someone that townread you

from where I'm sitting if you're town it seems like the easiest thing for scum to do would be to townread you and let you just fight with everyone who scumreads you

saying "this person reads me correctly as town so they're town" is basically diving headfirst into a scum pocket, I have a hard time buying the "I need to be read correctly before I can start solving" idea, it's fucking hard to solve correctly when you're universally townread

[GuiltyLion]

Here is my long awaited observations and reads table.

Spoiler

Spoiler: Table

Observations And Reads
Players		Other
Original	Replacement	Notes	Verdict
Galron		I like 514. 657 seems like genuine concern. 2648 and 2649 feel like genuine concern too. I like 2560. I don't think scum!Galron would try to remind me of his scumgame.	Townlean
Datisi		I don't think that scum!Datisi would mention his scumgame either so I like 107. I like the way Datisi is generally posting. Examples of this include 574 and 577 (which is a double post of 576). 2841 interests me as it seems that Datisi is trying to sort Harley Quinn.	Townlean
Catboi	Shiro	I like 299 and 403 from catboi because it seems like he is trying to repel Cabd's advances as opposed to letting Cabd pocket him. Shiro's entrance in 2199 and 2201 made me smile. I mindmeld with 2645. However, I hope that 2670 was the result of a misunderstanding because that's the one post I dislike.	Townlean
Marcistar		I like the way that she's trying to solve. Examples include 580, 724, 1153, 1439 and 1795. I like her original readslist in 477 and later her 'vanilla readlist' in 2459. It feels genuine.	Town
Firebringer		Mindmeld with 2885 and 2780. I like 2605 because it seems like Firebringer wants to solve the game instead of being focused on only solving Andante. The exchange between Firebringer and Harley Quinn resulted in me moving him from a townlean to a TR. Examples of posts from that exchange that I liked include 2890 and 2894.	Town
Save the Dragons		2835 seems like he is trying to solve marcistar. Readslist in 739 seems OK. Pair ranking list seems fine in 3032, though I'm wary of pocketing. I like 3056.	Townlean
Ydrasse		I disagree with 2525 regarding Galron. I don't think that Galron's scum for reasons mentioned above. I like how she is trying to calm Harley Quinn down in 2187 and making good suggestions in 2181. Like her readslist in 1204 and explanation in 1587. 1567 and 1572 seems like genuine concern.	Townlean
Prism	NorwegianboyEE	See 2779 for why I disliked NorwegianboyEE and 2883 for the part where I recind the 'painting a narrative' part. I agree with 2717, though. I also like 3058 His predecessor, Prism seemed fine. I liked 989. 5 was an idiosyncratic entrance. It was definitely not what I expected. I seem to be wrong on NorwegianboyEE and I apologise humbly.	Null
GuiltyLion		I feel like GuiltyLion is an interesting slot to read. I find him quite calm and explantory in his interactions unlike a lot of other people. Examples include 180, 221, 237, 248, 261, 286, 2132. 264 feels like a genuine reaction and I am amazed at how GuiltyLion was so calm. 327 feels solvey. I disagree with 1887 because there's nothing melodramatic that GuiltyLion has done. Thanks for 1705! 1620 is interesting. Has things changed? 1562 and 1600 feels like something which I should have not skimmed past.	Town
Cabd	Something_Smart	Dislike Cabd's interaction with catboi in 274. However, Something_Smart is different. I like 1157 because it fits in with my read on GuiltyLion. The advice in 1160 and 1165 is appreciated. Other posts that I liked include 1296, 1375 and 2910. I like 2852. 2931 was mind-opening.	Townlean
angielily	Harley Quinn	I think that angielily's readslists in 469, 471 and475 was OK though outdated. I agree with 484. From Harley Quinn, I like 2875 and 2882 for the content. 2042 and 2596 feels solvey. 2166 interests me. It does seem to me that Harley Quinn is somewhat dependent on meta. 3028 would be my favourite post because I mindmeld with the first sentence.	Townlean
Alyssa the Lamb		I like a lot of posts she has made. Examples include 55, 267 and 279. Interesting meta is given in 2859, 2861, and 2868. Interesting advice in 2973, 2987 and 2993	Town
Andante		I mindmelded with Andante at times. Examples 489 and 497. However, I disagree on the push on Shiro & Harley Quinn. It feels like 'tunnel vision'. Pair ranking list in 3013 seems OK, though I vehemently disagree on her read on Harley Quinn. However, 2932 makes a bit of sense.	Null
Lady Lambdadelta	Titus	I have found a couple of Lady Lambdadelta's posts, quite notable. These include 362, 558 which I find to be good advice, 623 because it could make sense from her perspective, 625 which is a mindmeld regarding 'Meta ≠ Experience' and 627. Now to some notable posts by Titus. These include 1214, 1215, 1216, 1220, 1222, 1223, 1342, 1351, 1447 and 1463.	Town

did everyone just like, not read this post lol

a lot of it feels fake to me

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I've dived that post already

I just didn't post anything about it

[Shiro]

i am also townread shiro independent of catboi at this point. Shiro been nothing but his townself

can you talk about this for those of us who are not familiar with shiro

scum shiro doesn't hunt or try solving. he relies on charming gifs and lovey dovey posts to pocket the people he needs to make it through game days. Is that here? Barely. He is giving opinions that i think are more indepth than he would give as scum

Yea while I am not planning to read anything before my arrival, I am engaged. Been a while since that has happened Ina game and

[Shiro]

Also why are people townreading Shiro again?

ngl a lot of my townread on that slot is because of catboi

+1

For now, that is

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I've dived that post already

I just didn't post anything about it

By this I mean RH9 indirectly asked me to

[GuiltyLion]

to flesh out that thought

there's so much in there that's just like, "this feels genuine", "this was an interesting post", "advice here was appreciated", "mindmeld with this", etc. It feels like something he'd write if he just went through ISOs and needed to comment on posts. What's missing for me is any real underlying thought process in the vein of "I think this is likely to be town because [x]", looking for scum agenda in what people are doing, any sort of skepticism or uncertainty. Hence it feels fake, I don't see a mind that has incentive to correctly evaluate alignments behind any of his reasoning there.

What I want to do now is actually sit down with a RH9 town game and see if this is how he always feels or if the fake feeling is more unique to this game

[Shiro]

i can easily see harley is scum tho so i don't know what purpose me arguing for shiro town serves.
Shiro chose wrong. Now he must pay.

I will be honest here I don't like trust myself to properly read her, paired with me being more likely to town read people I am in a pt with yea. I am capable of leaving if I have to though.

Then feel bad forever if I am wrong.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I think you're probably a TvT pair but I don't trust HQ to pivot off a bad solve if she's wrong and I think that's a lot more important of a trait

[Shiro]

I detest that my best endgame pair atm is Shiro and HQ. They're the only two that don't make sense in any scenario.

Yea that's a weird take, but why? This gives me weird vibes because Titus know I town read her like 99% of the time and vehemently defend her, which makes me think she might be scum wanting me end game hoping I will pressure Harley to do the same.

[Shiro]

If it literally hits a point where that pairing is just decided on to be the endgame pair, I'm just auto-leaving at 8p

I'm not dealing with that, sorry

Titus hot take is hardly a decided on end game pair xD

[Shiro]

Boy I feel like old Mastina talking in the past with these posts.

[Something_Smart]

ND have you ever scumread someone that townread you

She caught me once when I was locking her as town but it took her basically the whole game and was also based on totally incorrect setup spec.

[Harley Quinn]

Having multiple confident TvT pairs is a red flag

Having close to FOUR is a huge sign that you're being had

Who do you think is fooling me then? They’re not confident but I think you and RH9 seem really townie. I’m still on the fence about both STD and Marci. If Titus and Norwee were a pair, I’d definitely townlock that. I kind’ve wish this was more like pair game, where you could do that.

[Shiro]

Ok i think Harley is pretty much conf!town nvm.

I call bullshit.

Ur informed if anything.
Theres no way u see this and just outright buy it.

+1

[Shiro]

I mean it's not that I don't town read Harley but that post alone wasn't some gran revelation like norwee made it to be.

[Shiro]

Forgetting Nancy for a moment, can someone talk to me about Shiro?

I haven't been a huge fan of Shiro's content, especially this post. People said they townread catboi (including my illustrious predecessor, though I don't know how serious that was), is that a meta read? My experience with scum-catboi is that he's pretty slippery and hard to identify.

Like I said I would do a dual ISO dive but they're both recent replacements so I doubt I'd get anything

Soo what didn't you like about that post?

[RH9]

to flesh out that thought

there's so much in there that's just like, "this feels genuine", "this was an interesting post", "advice here was appreciated", "mindmeld with this", etc. It feels like something he'd write if he just went through ISOs and needed to comment on posts. What's missing for me is any real underlying thought process in the vein of "I think this is likely to be town because [x]", looking for scum agenda in what people are doing, any sort of skepticism or uncertainty. Hence it feels fake, I don't see a mind that has incentive to correctly evaluate alignments behind any of his reasoning there.

What I want to do now is actually sit down with a RH9 town game and see if this is how he always feels or if the fake feeling is more unique to this game

See here, here and here for previous tables that were made as Town. Then, tell everybody that those are fake too. I don't care. I would rather that everybody uncovers the truth than believe lies.

[Shiro]

I highly doubt scum!Shiro would even pair with me here for that reason alone.

I mean. I would ngl xD Fun > Optimal

[Harley Quinn]

ND have you ever scumread someone that townread you

from where I'm sitting if you're town it seems like the easiest thing for scum to do would be to townread you and let you just fight with everyone who scumreads you

saying "this person reads me correctly as town so they're town" is basically diving headfirst into a scum pocket, I have a hard time buying the "I need to be read correctly before I can start solving" idea, it's fucking hard to solve correctly when you're universally townread

No it’s not, I nailed two scum d1 and 3 in Pokemon and many other games. Taly’s IC, are you arguing that somehow adversely impacts his reads because I don’t think so.

And it doesn’t need to be universal, though that helps because if I am universally tr and I endgame in most games, it probably means I’m tr scum. That’s what happened in Xyzzy’s game. Scum were never targeting me because I tr the entire team.

If I’m continuously fighting off srs, it makes it extremely difficult not to focus on that. It’s not a coincidence either that more people are tr me now because I feel freer to try to solve now that I don’t think I’m likely being run up anymore. I’m also rarely obvtown right out of the gate. In Beefster’s game, I almost got miselimed in the span of two hours only to be pretty much everyone’s consensus tr for the remainder of that game. And you should know this too if you can remember nsg’s newspaper game where I was put at E-2 almost immediately and I got the bs she’s completely over reacting to being sr thing.

[Shiro]

all I remember in Heroes Wanted about Shiro was that Shiro mediumed Cerberus, then died trying to medium me

Ooooooooof that game, I doubt I will ever again put this much effort in a game. And Drixx not trusting I actually mediumed and all that. Boy o boy that was a game. That and Space Dandy, fire remember space dandy?

[Something_Smart]

Soo what didn't you like about that post?

It was a pretty cheap reason to throw shade at my pair (which was one of the LHF-iest); it was easy to check if your reasoning was flawed, but you didn't do that.

[Shiro]

Do people actually remember games played from like 6months ago??

Yea, weird right? I have like a vague meta tell of people at best and that's about it. I never use old games for info. Then again I am not really the best at hunting so maybe that's why.

[Harley Quinn]

I mean it's not that I don't town read Harley but that post alone wasn't some gran revelation like norwee made it to be.

Norwee is one of those players extremely good at reading me though, so from him it’s not suspicious. Also I already pointed out thar he could weakly tr me, pretend to try to derail my wagon and get fake towncred for that, so why doesn’t he do that? He even got votes for defending me?