Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Shiro]

Soo what didn't you like about that post?

It was a pretty cheap reason to throw shade at my pair (which was one of the LHF-iest); it was easy to check if your reasoning was flawed, but you didn't do that.

I never check stuff, or well almost never, I just spewed what I thought at the moment. That's how I am.

[Shiro]

I mean it's not that I don't town read Harley but that post alone wasn't some gran revelation like norwee made it to be.

Norwee is one of those players extremely good at reading me though, so from him it’s not suspicious. Also I already pointed out thar he could weakly tr me, pretend to try to derail my wagon and get fake towncred for that, so why doesn’t he do that? He even got votes for defending me?

Because contrary to popular belief I will state here and now, we are not an easy elimination(this needs a lot getting used to >. >) I can count on 1 hand the times I have been miselimatined on day 1. Ain't happening even if I am ultra rusty from playing too little.

Furthermore I trust myself to leave the dance of I am convinced you are scum which adds to my reasoning that we are a bad early Elim.

[Shiro]

Soo what didn't you like about that post?

It was a pretty cheap reason to throw shade at my pair (which was one of the LHF-iest); it was easy to check if your reasoning was flawed, but you didn't do that.

I never check stuff, or well almost never, I just spewed what I thought at the moment. That's how I am.

Gonna add here SS that I even stated that I am not reading anything from before I joined so why did you even assume I would check?

[Harley Quinn]

to flesh out that thought

there's so much in there that's just like, "this feels genuine", "this was an interesting post", "advice here was appreciated", "mindmeld with this", etc. It feels like something he'd write if he just went through ISOs and needed to comment on posts. What's missing for me is any real underlying thought process in the vein of "I think this is likely to be town because [x]", looking for scum agenda in what people are doing, any sort of skepticism or uncertainty. Hence it feels fake, I don't see a mind that has incentive to correctly evaluate alignments behind any of his reasoning there.

What I want to do now is actually sit down with a RH9 town game and see if this is how he always feels or if the fake feeling is more unique to this game

See here, here and here for previous tables that were made as Town. Then, tell everybody that those are fake too. I don't care. I would rather that everybody uncovers the truth than believe lies.

And to answer your question again GL. I sr Purple’s entrance in pair game only to do pretty a total 180 on him later and the same exact thing is happening here.

[Harley Quinn]

I mean it's not that I don't town read Harley but that post alone wasn't some gran revelation like norwee made it to be.

Norwee is one of those players extremely good at reading me though, so from him it’s not suspicious. Also I already pointed out thar he could weakly tr me, pretend to try to derail my wagon and get fake towncred for that, so why doesn’t he do that? He even got votes for defending me?

Because contrary to popular belief I will state here and now, we are not an easy elimination(this needs a lot getting used to >. >) I can count on 1 hand the times I have been miselimatined on day 1. Ain't happening even if I am ultra rusty from playing too little.

Furthermore I trust myself to leave the dance of I am convinced you are scum which adds to my reasoning that we are a bad early Elim.

If scum is pushing me then it means whomever is scum here is unfamiliar with my meta but that doesn’t necessarily apply to anyone in survivalist mode obviously.

Norwee’s seen me in Stumps and I’m obviously very different here. If Fire had locktowned me, I’d probably be yeeting his ass off of the stratosphere. In OMB, Mastina locktowned us and it made Pooky paranoid on Mastina but she was town in that, same with Pokemon.

[Shiro]

Now to go watch the witcher season 2

It has some bs but it was really good.

[Shiro]

dats and GL should be number 1 end game pair.

What, why?

[Shiro]

I don't think fire even scum reads you all that much here.

[Shiro]

This was obviously going to Harley just in case

[RH9]

to flesh out that thought

there's so much in there that's just like, "this feels genuine", "this was an interesting post", "advice here was appreciated", "mindmeld with this", etc. It feels like something he'd write if he just went through ISOs and needed to comment on posts. What's missing for me is any real underlying thought process in the vein of "I think this is likely to be town because [x]", looking for scum agenda in what people are doing, any sort of skepticism or uncertainty. Hence it feels fake, I don't see a mind that has incentive to correctly evaluate alignments behind any of his reasoning there.

What I want to do now is actually sit down with a RH9 town game and see if this is how he always feels or if the fake feeling is more unique to this game

See here, here and here for previous tables that were made as Town. Then, tell everybody that those are fake too. I don't care. I would rather that everybody uncovers the truth than believe lies.

By the way, GL, sorry if I came off as harsh.

[RH9]

We are going to win because Taly is the best but then I remembered that Mafia might try to get rid of you and then I was sad.

am I being too naive in thinking this just feels tremendously fake in an obvscummy way

RH9 do you have any completed scumgames anywhere you can link to?

He has written a lot of posts as town that sound tremendously fake. (I do not have a read on him in this game)

Found this post. GL, I know that it's old and catboi got replaced by Shiro. However, catboi pretty much summed up my Town game.

[RH9]

dats and GL should be number 1 end game pair.

What, why?

Do you disagree with Firebringer?

[Shiro]

dats and GL should be number 1 end game pair.

What, why?

Do you disagree with Firebringer?

Yea

[RH9]

dats and GL should be number 1 end game pair.

What, why?

Do you disagree with Firebringer?

Yea

What on? You don't trust Datisi and GL to be the 'number 1 end game pair'?

[Shiro]

dats and GL should be number 1 end game pair.

What, why?

Do you disagree with Firebringer?

Yea

What on? You don't trust Datisi and GL to be the 'number 1 end game pair'?

No, I do not. Why do you ?

Like with only 1 flips no pair is really endgame worthy right now.

[Shiro]

Btw this is for all you stressed friends in the game

https://voca.ro/1mFHSKgd9zbS

Blame Titus for inspiring me.

[RH9]

dats and GL should be number 1 end game pair.

What, why?

Do you disagree with Firebringer?

Yea

What on? You don't trust Datisi and GL to be the 'number 1 end game pair'?

No, I do not. Why do you ?

Like with only 1 flips no pair is really endgame worthy right now.

I don't really either. I was asking to clarify. I think that at least, there is something we can all agree on. Nobody should be 'number 1 end game pair' yet. It's never a good idea to decide early because who knows. What if you change your opinion but because you decided too early, everybody starts bombarding you with questions on why you suddenly changed your mind.

[Shiro]

dats and GL should be number 1 end game pair.

What, why?

Do you disagree with Firebringer?

Yea

What on? You don't trust Datisi and GL to be the 'number 1 end game pair'?

No, I do not. Why do you ?

Like with only 1 flips no pair is really endgame worthy right now.

I don't really either. I was asking to clarify. I think that at least, there is something we can all agree on. Nobody should be 'number 1 end game pair' yet. It's never a good idea to decide early because who knows. What if you change your opinion but because you decided too early, everybody starts bombarding you with questions on why you suddenly changed your mind.

Well, it not that really, I am all for giving unfiltered thoughts on the moment. It is the fact that I do not get where the confidence comes from.

[Firebringer]

they did eskel dirty

[RH9]

they did eskel dirty

What is 'eskel'?

[Firebringer]

they did eskel dirty

What is 'eskel'?

from the witcher series

[RH9]

they did eskel dirty

What is 'eskel'?

from the witcher series

What happened to Eskel?

[RH9]

Here is my long awaited observations and reads table.

Spoiler

Spoiler: Table

Observations And Reads
Players		Other
Original	Replacement	Notes	Verdict
Galron		I like 514. 657 seems like genuine concern. 2648 and 2649 feel like genuine concern too. I like 2560. I don't think scum!Galron would try to remind me of his scumgame.	Townlean
Datisi		I don't think that scum!Datisi would mention his scumgame either so I like 107. I like the way Datisi is generally posting. Examples of this include 574 and 577 (which is a double post of 576). 2841 interests me as it seems that Datisi is trying to sort Harley Quinn.	Townlean
Catboi	Shiro	I like 299 and 403 from catboi because it seems like he is trying to repel Cabd's advances as opposed to letting Cabd pocket him. Shiro's entrance in 2199 and 2201 made me smile. I mindmeld with 2645. However, I hope that 2670 was the result of a misunderstanding because that's the one post I dislike.	Townlean
Marcistar		I like the way that she's trying to solve. Examples include 580, 724, 1153, 1439 and 1795. I like her original readslist in 477 and later her 'vanilla readlist' in 2459. It feels genuine.	Town
Firebringer		Mindmeld with 2885 and 2780. I like 2605 because it seems like Firebringer wants to solve the game instead of being focused on only solving Andante. The exchange between Firebringer and Harley Quinn resulted in me moving him from a townlean to a TR. Examples of posts from that exchange that I liked include 2890 and 2894.	Town
Save the Dragons		2835 seems like he is trying to solve marcistar. Readslist in 739 seems OK. Pair ranking list seems fine in 3032, though I'm wary of pocketing. I like 3056.	Townlean
Ydrasse		I disagree with 2525 regarding Galron. I don't think that Galron's scum for reasons mentioned above. I like how she is trying to calm Harley Quinn down in 2187 and making good suggestions in 2181. Like her readslist in 1204 and explanation in 1587. 1567 and 1572 seems like genuine concern.	Townlean
Prism	NorwegianboyEE	See 2779 for why I disliked NorwegianboyEE and 2883 for the part where I recind the 'painting a narrative' part. I agree with 2717, though. I also like 3058 His predecessor, Prism seemed fine. I liked 989. 5 was an idiosyncratic entrance. It was definitely not what I expected. I seem to be wrong on NorwegianboyEE and I apologise humbly.	Null
GuiltyLion		I feel like GuiltyLion is an interesting slot to read. I find him quite calm and explantory in his interactions unlike a lot of other people. Examples include 180, 221, 237, 248, 261, 286, 2132. 264 feels like a genuine reaction and I am amazed at how GuiltyLion was so calm. 327 feels solvey. I disagree with 1887 because there's nothing melodramatic that GuiltyLion has done. Thanks for 1705! 1620 is interesting. Has things changed? 1562 and 1600 feels like something which I should have not skimmed past.	Town
Cabd	Something_Smart	Dislike Cabd's interaction with catboi in 274. However, Something_Smart is different. I like 1157 because it fits in with my read on GuiltyLion. The advice in 1160 and 1165 is appreciated. Other posts that I liked include 1296, 1375 and 2910. I like 2852. 2931 was mind-opening.	Townlean
angielily	Harley Quinn	I think that angielily's readslists in 469, 471 and475 was OK though outdated. I agree with 484. From Harley Quinn, I like 2875 and 2882 for the content. 2042 and 2596 feels solvey. 2166 interests me. It does seem to me that Harley Quinn is somewhat dependent on meta. 3028 would be my favourite post because I mindmeld with the first sentence.	Townlean
Alyssa the Lamb		I like a lot of posts she has made. Examples include 55, 267 and 279. Interesting meta is given in 2859, 2861, and 2868. Interesting advice in 2973, 2987 and 2993	Town
Andante		I mindmelded with Andante at times. Examples 489 and 497. However, I disagree on the push on Shiro & Harley Quinn. It feels like 'tunnel vision'. Pair ranking list in 3013 seems OK, though I vehemently disagree on her read on Harley Quinn. However, 2932 makes a bit of sense.	Null
Lady Lambdadelta	Titus	I have found a couple of Lady Lambdadelta's posts, quite notable. These include 362, 558 which I find to be good advice, 623 because it could make sense from her perspective, 625 which is a mindmeld regarding 'Meta ≠ Experience' and 627. Now to some notable posts by Titus. These include 1214, 1215, 1216, 1220, 1222, 1223, 1342, 1351, 1447 and 1463.	Town

did everyone just like, not read this post lol

a lot of it feels fake to me

You did read catboi's 573 about my towngame, before posting this, or did you not?

[RH9]

Here is my long awaited observations and reads table.

Spoiler

Spoiler: Table

Observations And Reads
Players		Other
Original	Replacement	Notes	Verdict
Galron		I like 514. 657 seems like genuine concern. 2648 and 2649 feel like genuine concern too. I like 2560. I don't think scum!Galron would try to remind me of his scumgame.	Townlean
Datisi		I don't think that scum!Datisi would mention his scumgame either so I like 107. I like the way Datisi is generally posting. Examples of this include 574 and 577 (which is a double post of 576). 2841 interests me as it seems that Datisi is trying to sort Harley Quinn.	Townlean
Catboi	Shiro	I like 299 and 403 from catboi because it seems like he is trying to repel Cabd's advances as opposed to letting Cabd pocket him. Shiro's entrance in 2199 and 2201 made me smile. I mindmeld with 2645. However, I hope that 2670 was the result of a misunderstanding because that's the one post I dislike.	Townlean
Marcistar		I like the way that she's trying to solve. Examples include 580, 724, 1153, 1439 and 1795. I like her original readslist in 477 and later her 'vanilla readlist' in 2459. It feels genuine.	Town
Firebringer		Mindmeld with 2885 and 2780. I like 2605 because it seems like Firebringer wants to solve the game instead of being focused on only solving Andante. The exchange between Firebringer and Harley Quinn resulted in me moving him from a townlean to a TR. Examples of posts from that exchange that I liked include 2890 and 2894.	Town
Save the Dragons		2835 seems like he is trying to solve marcistar. Readslist in 739 seems OK. Pair ranking list seems fine in 3032, though I'm wary of pocketing. I like 3056.	Townlean
Ydrasse		I disagree with 2525 regarding Galron. I don't think that Galron's scum for reasons mentioned above. I like how she is trying to calm Harley Quinn down in 2187 and making good suggestions in 2181. Like her readslist in 1204 and explanation in 1587. 1567 and 1572 seems like genuine concern.	Townlean
Prism	NorwegianboyEE	See 2779 for why I disliked NorwegianboyEE and 2883 for the part where I recind the 'painting a narrative' part. I agree with 2717, though. I also like 3058 His predecessor, Prism seemed fine. I liked 989. 5 was an idiosyncratic entrance. It was definitely not what I expected. I seem to be wrong on NorwegianboyEE and I apologise humbly.	Null
GuiltyLion		I feel like GuiltyLion is an interesting slot to read. I find him quite calm and explantory in his interactions unlike a lot of other people. Examples include 180, 221, 237, 248, 261, 286, 2132. 264 feels like a genuine reaction and I am amazed at how GuiltyLion was so calm. 327 feels solvey. I disagree with 1887 because there's nothing melodramatic that GuiltyLion has done. Thanks for 1705! 1620 is interesting. Has things changed? 1562 and 1600 feels like something which I should have not skimmed past.	Town
Cabd	Something_Smart	Dislike Cabd's interaction with catboi in 274. However, Something_Smart is different. I like 1157 because it fits in with my read on GuiltyLion. The advice in 1160 and 1165 is appreciated. Other posts that I liked include 1296, 1375 and 2910. I like 2852. 2931 was mind-opening.	Townlean
angielily	Harley Quinn	I think that angielily's readslists in 469, 471 and475 was OK though outdated. I agree with 484. From Harley Quinn, I like 2875 and 2882 for the content. 2042 and 2596 feels solvey. 2166 interests me. It does seem to me that Harley Quinn is somewhat dependent on meta. 3028 would be my favourite post because I mindmeld with the first sentence.	Townlean
Alyssa the Lamb		I like a lot of posts she has made. Examples include 55, 267 and 279. Interesting meta is given in 2859, 2861, and 2868. Interesting advice in 2973, 2987 and 2993	Town
Andante		I mindmelded with Andante at times. Examples 489 and 497. However, I disagree on the push on Shiro & Harley Quinn. It feels like 'tunnel vision'. Pair ranking list in 3013 seems OK, though I vehemently disagree on her read on Harley Quinn. However, 2932 makes a bit of sense.	Null
Lady Lambdadelta	Titus	I have found a couple of Lady Lambdadelta's posts, quite notable. These include 362, 558 which I find to be good advice, 623 because it could make sense from her perspective, 625 which is a mindmeld regarding 'Meta ≠ Experience' and 627. Now to some notable posts by Titus. These include 1214, 1215, 1216, 1220, 1222, 1223, 1342, 1351, 1447 and 1463.	Town

did everyone just like, not read this post lol

a lot of it feels fake to me

You did read catboi's 573 about my towngame, before posting this, or did you not?

And fake is an objective word. Why didn't you give your definition of 'fake' earlier? Were you trying to do a reaction test? Because if you were, then I feel hurt that you would do so. If you didn't, explain what led to you making 3182?

[RH9]

Ok. That's all for now. Please answer me though, GL. I want to know what went through your mind between 3177 and 3182.