Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

I still don't trust GL. Especially now that he also SRs Shiro.

RH9, you've been prompted multiple times to name a pool of 4 scumreads, that is scumread

S

with an S. The only scumread you've given has been on me. It's easy to make a scumread on 1 slot in a group of 14, while giving everyone else town/townleans/nulls, it's much harder to solve for what feels like a reasonable pool of at least 4 while also trying to still accurately narrow the potential candidates by finding town as well.

The issue I am struggling with this game is that when I start thinking I was wrong on previous suspects like Smart or HQ, it means my pool of townreads is likely mistaken and I need to expand the scope to consider who I was previously not paying as much attention to might be scum. I liked a lot of catboi's posts and agreed with almost everything he said when he was here, but if I'm being extremely skeptical/cautious it's not an ISO that he could never produce as scum. and Shiro since coming in immediately proposed to HQ, threw some dirt on Smart/Galron, and has functionally skated through the thread. I have no idea who Shiro suspects and why. I don't have anything I can point to to say, "hey, here's Shiro making a town post and pushing the thread in a pro-town direction". I can imagine it being a scum ISO and I need to pressure him when he says questionable stuff and see how he reacts to SRs on him.

Why do you think that is something that I am more likely to do as scum? Why wouldn't scum!GL just keep tunneling Smart and Galron instead? Why would scum!GL fake a reads reversal on Galron? Do you think

anyone

suspecting Shiro is more likely to be scum, or is it specifically something in the way that I did it?

[Harley Quinn]

I still don't trust GL. Especially now that he also SRs Shiro.

RH9, you've been prompted multiple times to name a pool of 4 scumreads, that is scumread

S

with an S. The only scumread you've given has been on me. It's easy to make a scumread on 1 slot in a group of 14, while giving everyone else town/townleans/nulls, it's much harder to solve for what feels like a reasonable pool of at least 4 while also trying to still accurately narrow the potential candidates by finding town as well.

The issue I am struggling with this game is that when I start thinking I was wrong on previous suspects like Smart or HQ, it means my pool of townreads is likely mistaken and I need to expand the scope to consider who I was previously not paying as much attention to might be scum. I liked a lot of catboi's posts and agreed with almost everything he said when he was here, but if I'm being extremely skeptical/cautious it's not an ISO that he could never produce as scum. and Shiro since coming in immediately proposed to HQ, threw some dirt on Smart/Galron, and has functionally skated through the thread. I have no idea who Shiro suspects and why. I don't have anything I can point to to say, "hey, here's Shiro making a town post and pushing the thread in a pro-town direction". I can imagine it being a scum ISO and I need to pressure him when he says questionable stuff and see how he reacts to SRs on him.

Why do you think that is something that I am more likely to do as scum? Why wouldn't scum!GL just keep tunneling Smart and Galron instead? Why would scum!GL fake a reads reversal on Galron? Do you think

anyone

suspecting Shiro is more likely to be scum, or is it specifically something in the way that I did it?

This is how Shiro has played in virtually every single game I’ve hydra’d with him. Only difference is that he’s considerably more active playing solo. I read one of his scumgames and tried to avoid having pretty much any reads on anything.

[Taly]

Uh mm

I suspect

Norwe

for reasons entirely independent of what other players have said so far.

I am net null on

GL

. Got a few thoughts on them but could sway either way on their alignment.

I am pleased with

SS/Titus/Aly

taking the most active roles in

"help the IC"

I empathize with

RH9

because it can suck to be told that one is fake even in a Mafia context. I encourage them to take a break if they feel sore about this game so far. Same sentiment to everyone else. It's the holidays

I don't like

Harley's

playstyle and I'm not convinced

Shiro

is town cause

meta

, but I don't feel compelled to push.

Harley

reminds me of their townplay whenever they don't tunnel someone who even hints as suspecting them or their partner.

Honestly, I feel that my

prompt and order the plist to do something and then observe

has done wonders for my clarity in this game so I might keep up this approach for a few more days. I would not be surprised if a scum let the narrative that scumreads are scarce in this game to be their camouflage.

[GuiltyLion]

can't find the post at the moment but someone already pointed out to you that you've literally never played with scum!Shiro, so you are not qualified to speak on how scum!Shiro plays. and like you think he's never scum here then that's a disrespect to his scum game

[GuiltyLion]

p-edit: my post is towards Harley not Taly

back later

[Taly]

It's nice I can be cryptic unfiltered in a Mafia game for once.

I love leaving my stances up for interpretation.

[Harley Quinn]

Uh mm

I suspect

Norwe

for reasons entirely independent of what other players have said so far.

I am net null on

GL

. Got a few thoughts on them but could sway either way on their alignment.

I am pleased with

SS/Titus/Aly

taking the most active roles in

"help the IC"

I empathize with

RH9

because it can suck to be told that one is fake even in a Mafia context. I encourage them to take a break if they feel sore about this game so far. Same sentiment to everyone else. It's the holidays

I don't like

Harley's

playstyle and I'm not convinced

Shiro

is town cause

meta

, but I don't feel compelled to push.

Harley

reminds me of their townplay whenever they don't tunnel someone who even hints as suspecting them or their partner.

Honestly, I feel that my

prompt and order the plist to do something and then observe

has done wonders for my clarity in this game so I might keep up this approach for a few more days. I would not be surprised if a scum let the narrative that scumreads are scarce in this game to be their camouflage.

I am playing nothing here like in SH, so whatever Taly. You will find out that your read on me in this game is wrong.

[Taly]

Not a permanent approach, but I'm taking my time.

[Taly]

Harley

, I just said I see you more as town.

I'm done mentioning my read on you. You make assumptions and I feel spoken down to and it does nothing effective.

So that's that. Goodnight.

[Taly]

I've got at least 6 other things I want to talk about more and that's what what focus on.

I don't know how to work with you.

[Something_Smart]

I am net null on GL. Got a few thoughts on them but could sway either way on their alignment.

How about Datisi? Any thoughts on my ISO dive and his response?

At first blush it didn't really move the needle for me... like I can see everything he says and how it could be true, but it doesn't seem like something that would be hard to fake either.

Might be a good idea to dive into GL's long posts and figure out what was towny about them, but I'm not sure if that would be worth the time.

[Taly]

Please tell me what to do, Harley. I want to change this.

Pedit

I am net null on GL. Got a few thoughts on them but could sway either way on their alignment.

How about Datisi? Any thoughts on my ISO dive and his response?

At first blush it didn't really move the needle for me... like I can see everything he says and how it could be true, but it doesn't seem like something that would be hard to fake either.

Might be a good idea to dive into GL's long posts and figure out what was towny about them, but I'm not sure if that would be worth the time.

I'll pin this for tomorrow Hold me to it

[RH9]

I still don't trust GL. Especially now that he also SRs Shiro.

RH9, you've been prompted multiple times to name a pool of 4 scumreads, that is scumread

S

with an S. The only scumread you've given has been on me. It's easy to make a scumread on 1 slot in a group of 14, while giving everyone else town/townleans/nulls, it's much harder to solve for what feels like a reasonable pool of at least 4 while also trying to still accurately narrow the potential candidates by finding town as well.

The issue I am struggling with this game is that when I start thinking I was wrong on previous suspects like Smart or HQ, it means my pool of townreads is likely mistaken and I need to expand the scope to consider who I was previously not paying as much attention to might be scum. I liked a lot of catboi's posts and agreed with almost everything he said when he was here, but if I'm being extremely skeptical/cautious it's not an ISO that he could never produce as scum. and Shiro since coming in immediately proposed to HQ, threw some dirt on Smart/Galron, and has functionally skated through the thread. I have no idea who Shiro suspects and why. I don't have anything I can point to to say, "hey, here's Shiro making a town post and pushing the thread in a pro-town direction". I can imagine it being a scum ISO and I need to pressure him when he says questionable stuff and see how he reacts to SRs on him.

Why do you think that is something that I am more likely to do as scum? Why wouldn't scum!GL just keep tunneling Smart and Galron instead? Why would scum!GL fake a reads reversal on Galron? Do you think

anyone

suspecting Shiro is more likely to be scum, or is it specifically something in the way that I did it?

Why is the number of scunreads AI? I disagree that only scum!GL can do the things you mentioned. Those things seem NAI. I think if given a good enough case, maybe suspecting Shiro is OK. But using his mistake as evidence is not right. Other than what I already said, there is nothing else really that I think that you only do as scum. But then, I know nothing about your scumgame or your scumrange.

[RH9]

I still don't trust GL. Especially now that he also SRs Shiro.

RH9, you've been prompted multiple times to name a pool of 4 scumreads, that is scumread

S

with an S. The only scumread you've given has been on me. It's easy to make a scumread on 1 slot in a group of 14, while giving everyone else town/townleans/nulls, it's much harder to solve for what feels like a reasonable pool of at least 4 while also trying to still accurately narrow the potential candidates by finding town as well.

The issue I am struggling with this game is that when I start thinking I was wrong on previous suspects like Smart or HQ, it means my pool of townreads is likely mistaken and I need to expand the scope to consider who I was previously not paying as much attention to might be scum. I liked a lot of catboi's posts and agreed with almost everything he said when he was here, but if I'm being extremely skeptical/cautious it's not an ISO that he could never produce as scum. and Shiro since coming in immediately proposed to HQ, threw some dirt on Smart/Galron, and has functionally skated through the thread. I have no idea who Shiro suspects and why. I don't have anything I can point to to say, "hey, here's Shiro making a town post and pushing the thread in a pro-town direction". I can imagine it being a scum ISO and I need to pressure him when he says questionable stuff and see how he reacts to SRs on him.

Why do you think that is something that I am more likely to do as scum? Why wouldn't scum!GL just keep tunneling Smart and Galron instead? Why would scum!GL fake a reads reversal on Galron? Do you think

anyone

suspecting Shiro is more likely to be scum, or is it specifically something in the way that I did it?

Why is the number of scumreads AI? I disagree that only scum!GL can do the things you mentioned. Those things seem NAI. I think if given a good enough case, maybe suspecting Shiro is OK. But using his mistake as evidence is not right. Other than what I already said, there is nothing else really that I think that you only do as scum. But then, I know nothing about your scumgame or your scumrange.

EBWOP

[Harley Quinn]

Harley

, I just said I see you more as town.

I'm done mentioning my read on you. You make assumptions and I feel spoken down to and it does nothing effective.

So that's that. Goodnight.

I've got at least 6 other things I want to talk about more and that's what what focus on.

I don't know how to work with you.

You said you didn’t like my playstyle and didn’t want to push there, so I misunderstood you then?

I’m not trying to talk down to you or anyone. It’s just really frustrating because I’m really putting my heart and soul into solving this game and it seems that from almost every angle, if I’m not getting wrongly sr, I’m getting discredited and I’m seriously not okay with some of the completely unnecessary hurtful comments I’ve received from some people in this game and GL is the most recent offender and I’m getting legit pissed at that.

[RH9]

I empathize with

RH9

because it can suck to be told that one is fake even in a Mafia context. I encourage them to take a break if they feel sore about this game so far. Same sentiment to everyone else. It's the holidays

Luckily, I'll be on vacation from the 27th to 29th. (Only bad news is that I probably won't be able to post until 20:00 [UTC+11] or 9:00 [UTC] which means that you'll all probably be asleep. But least, I'll be able to have some downtime.)

[RH9]

Harley

, I just said I see you more as town.

I'm done mentioning my read on you. You make assumptions and I feel spoken down to and it does nothing effective.

So that's that. Goodnight.

I've got at least 6 other things I want to talk about more and that's what what focus on.

I don't know how to work with you.

You said you didn’t like my playstyle and didn’t want to push there, so I misunderstood you then?

I’m not trying to talk down to you or anyone. It’s just really frustrating because I’m really putting my heart and soul into solving this game and it seems that from almost every angle, if I’m not getting wrongly sr, I’m getting discredited and I’m seriously not okay with some of the completely unnecessary hurtful comments I’ve received from some people in this game and GL is the most recent offender and I’m getting legit pissed at that.

You literally summed up what upset me about GL in the first place.

[Taly]

Harley

, I just said I see you more as town.

I'm done mentioning my read on you. You make assumptions and I feel spoken down to and it does nothing effective.

So that's that. Goodnight.

I've got at least 6 other things I want to talk about more and that's what what focus on.

I don't know how to work with you.

You said you didn’t like my playstyle and didn’t want to push there, so I misunderstood you then?

I’m not trying to talk down to you or anyone. It’s just really frustrating because I’m really putting my heart and soul into solving this game and it seems that from almost every angle, if I’m not getting wrongly sr, I’m getting discredited and I’m seriously not okay with some of the completely unnecessary hurtful comments I’ve received from some people in this game and GL is the most recent offender and I’m getting legit pissed at that.

I just want you to know that I do not have malicious intent. I cannot read your mind.

I'd rather us have a more productive relationship this game than you discussing your frustration with the fact that I do not townlock your pair.

I completely understand your frustration and I've definitely been in scenarios where I don't feel listened to.

But it's not always my priority to solve you and it makes it difficult when you provide additional input that I can't parse easily because I'm afraid of exacerbating tension.

So please, if you want to help me understand you, let's change the subject to something else because this is not helping me and I'm sure it just frustrates you.

Like, several people say T/S is still most likely with

Galron/SS

despite my disagreement, what do you think and why?

Absolutely no rush here. I have to head out tonight anyway Sleep well

[Harley Quinn]

Harley

, I just said I see you more as town.

I'm done mentioning my read on you. You make assumptions and I feel spoken down to and it does nothing effective.

So that's that. Goodnight.

I've got at least 6 other things I want to talk about more and that's what what focus on.

I don't know how to work with you.

You said you didn’t like my playstyle and didn’t want to push there, so I misunderstood you then?

I’m not trying to talk down to you or anyone. It’s just really frustrating because I’m really putting my heart and soul into solving this game and it seems that from almost every angle, if I’m not getting wrongly sr, I’m getting discredited and I’m seriously not okay with some of the completely unnecessary hurtful comments I’ve received from some people in this game and GL is the most recent offender and I’m getting legit pissed at that.

You literally summed up what upset me about GL in the first place.

+1

Yeah, it legit feels like he’s trying to beat me down for absolutely no reason whatsoever, so probably was very unfair to Taly but jesus fucking christ, how much of this am I expected to take when I’m just trying to figure out this game? This may be the first towngame I’ve legit cried in long time since tm, which was beyond brutal.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley

, I just said I see you more as town.

I'm done mentioning my read on you. You make assumptions and I feel spoken down to and it does nothing effective.

So that's that. Goodnight.

I've got at least 6 other things I want to talk about more and that's what what focus on.

I don't know how to work with you.

You said you didn’t like my playstyle and didn’t want to push there, so I misunderstood you then?

I’m not trying to talk down to you or anyone. It’s just really frustrating because I’m really putting my heart and soul into solving this game and it seems that from almost every angle, if I’m not getting wrongly sr, I’m getting discredited and I’m seriously not okay with some of the completely unnecessary hurtful comments I’ve received from some people in this game and GL is the most recent offender and I’m getting legit pissed at that.

I just want you to know that I do not have malicious intent. I cannot read your mind.

I'd rather us have a more productive relationship this game than you discussing your frustration with the fact that I do not townlock your pair.

I completely understand your frustration and I've definitely been in scenarios where I don't feel listened to.

But it's not always my priority to solve you and it makes it difficult when you provide additional input that I can't parse easily because I'm afraid of exacerbating tension.

So please, if you want to help me understand you, let's change the subject to something else because this is not helping me and I'm sure it just frustrates you.

Like, several people say T/S is still most likely with

Galron/SS

despite my disagreement, what do you think and why?

Absolutely no rush here. I have to head out tonight anyway Sleep well

<3

Sure and I apologize for my outburst to you. It’s possible? galron really isn’t doing all that much, SS seems really engaged and it looks like townie intent.

[Taly]

With emotions running as high as you both have conveyed:

RH9

and

HQ

, I encourage you guys to step away. It's completely valid. This is a game, fun should be a top priority. This is a game that really fixes with people mentally so it is healthy to set limits.

<3 I'll coke with GIFs tomorrow lol

[Taly]

Really fucks with people*

Step away from a but*

Oof phoneposting amirite

[Taly]

For a bit***

OOOOOF

[Taly]

K night lovelies<3

[Taly]

With emotions running as high as you both have conveyed:

RH9

and

HQ

, I encourage you guys to step away. It's completely valid. This is a game, fun should be a top priority. This is a game that really fixes with people mentally so it is healthy to set limits.

<3 I'll coke with GIFs tomorrow lol

I'll come with GIFs*

And no I'm not telling yall yo leave I mean, taking breaks will help us gamesolve

Ok I am gonna stfu