Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Save The Dragons]

StD has Titus posted in your PT?

yes

What?

I SAID YES

[Shiro]

StD has Titus posted in your PT?

yes

What?

I SAID YES

Ok that made my chuckle XD

For real though, what has she been saying?

[Something_Smart]

Lol

[Save The Dragons]

not a whole lot to be honest

just a little on her andante read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VoteCount 1.9

Firebringer - Andante [0]
Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Save the Dragons - Titus [0] -
Marcistar - NorwegianBoyEE [5] - Save The Dragons, Alyssa the Lamb, Datisi, GuiltyLion, Ydrasse
Datisi - GuiltyLion [1] - Titus
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [2] - Andante, Firebringer
Galron - Something_Smart [1] - NorwegianBoyEE

Not Voting [7]

- RH9, Taly, Marcistar, Shiro, Galron, Something_Smart. Harley Quinn

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-12-28 20:00:00)

[Titus]

Feeling ill. I'll try to be more useful tonight.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

The one thing I will say is that I find the universal townreads on me odd

I'm stronger at scum than a lot of people give me credit for anymore

I think it's a read people are sheeping me on for better or for worse.

Do you think I'm a pocket target this game?

Titus I'm interested in your response to this too when you're more up to it

No hurry, take care of yourself first

[Titus]

I can answer this without reading, but it's a bit of a non answer. If I was scum, I wouldn't view people as pocketing targets (usually). I'd get people to talk about their strongly held beliefs that match what I want in the thread, in hopes of them getting reinforced. In that aspect, certain confbiasy players tend to be easier to use for this method but not targeting a player per se.

[RH9]

okay, i'm feeling a bit calmer today, so i'll go over my problems yesterday.

i had a problem with harley's read of "guiltylion said my pair has scum in it therefore he's scum" because it showed no critical thinking behind it whatsoever. if here was some behind it, i don't know, but literally all i saw was another "someone said i'm scum therefore they must die". no questioning why someone thought that, no questioning whether it would make sense for town!them to think that, just pure omgus. whether it really was that, i don't know, and 3689 makes me think there's more to it, so.

are you gonna answer about your gth scumreads or are you just gonna post useless filler?

If you want, I could put GL as a scumlean for making me want to cry. (And making Norwee give up.)

Also this is for what seems like an agenda of breaking people down, making them want to lose their will to live, and what marcistar described as making a case 'built up on something' that is 'easily explanable'.
To me, it seems like GL saw the traction on people and fueled the flames. I have never felt like crying while playing a Mafia game until wasting two days of my life was considered 'fake'.

the problem with these posts are that they are making a huge deal out of something that really wasn't it. like, someone calling another person's posts "fake" is about one of the

tamest

insults in mafia, and i found it really REALLY hard to believe that someone who also claimed to have experience with mafia elsewhere (not sure if it was mentioned in this game, but i think i saw rh9 say he's played mafia on other sites) would seriously be brought to tears by someone calling his post fake. *and* i did not see him act in any toxic way towards norwee. so those accusations also felt extremely over the top. and the fact that he was actually voting guiltylion over it really felt to me like scum who has no clue what to vote someone over so they picked something ridiculous like this. because no, i don't think someone could get that offended over guiltylion this game.

now, the reason why i didn't wanna say this last night is because i am not a fan of telling someone that their emotions aren't real, because if i'm wrong, i look like a huge asshole. which is why i utterly despise when ate is used in mafia, because i fear i will look like a bad person simply because i am trying to play to my wincon. so i decided to say nothing and just head to bed since it was 1am for me at the time anyway.

Datisi, my world is shattered beyond any kind of repair. I voted GL. I need you to give me a case to convince everybody that everything GL has done can only be done by Town!GL and scum!GL has no chance of doing it.

other than being more emotional stuff that i did not believe, this pissed me off because it implied that i'm supposed to be having this rock-solid towncase on guiltylion, and that not only do i have to convince him, i have to convince everybody, and it was written in such over the top way i really made me think that rh9 was scum just taking the piss out of the whole thing, and i wasn't able to call him out on it because i thought i would get called a bully because "how dare you say his emotions are manipulative!"

so yeah, that made me really upset last night.

Has your opinions changed?

[RH9]

okay, i'm feeling a bit calmer today, so i'll go over my problems yesterday.

i had a problem with harley's read of "guiltylion said my pair has scum in it therefore he's scum" because it showed no critical thinking behind it whatsoever. if here was some behind it, i don't know, but literally all i saw was another "someone said i'm scum therefore they must die". no questioning why someone thought that, no questioning whether it would make sense for town!them to think that, just pure omgus. whether it really was that, i don't know, and 3689 makes me think there's more to it, so.

are you gonna answer about your gth scumreads or are you just gonna post useless filler?

If you want, I could put GL as a scumlean for making me want to cry. (And making Norwee give up.)

Also this is for what seems like an agenda of breaking people down, making them want to lose their will to live, and what marcistar described as making a case 'built up on something' that is 'easily explanable'.
To me, it seems like GL saw the traction on people and fueled the flames. I have never felt like crying while playing a Mafia game until wasting two days of my life was considered 'fake'.

the problem with these posts are that they are making a huge deal out of something that really wasn't it. like, someone calling another person's posts "fake" is about one of the

tamest

insults in mafia, and i found it really REALLY hard to believe that someone who also claimed to have experience with mafia elsewhere (not sure if it was mentioned in this game, but i think i saw rh9 say he's played mafia on other sites) would seriously be brought to tears by someone calling his post fake. *and* i did not see him act in any toxic way towards norwee. so those accusations also felt extremely over the top. and the fact that he was actually voting guiltylion over it really felt to me like scum who has no clue what to vote someone over so they picked something ridiculous like this. because no, i don't think someone could get that offended over guiltylion this game.

now, the reason why i didn't wanna say this last night is because i am not a fan of telling someone that their emotions aren't real, because if i'm wrong, i look like a huge asshole. which is why i utterly despise when ate is used in mafia, because i fear i will look like a bad person simply because i am trying to play to my wincon. so i decided to say nothing and just head to bed since it was 1am for me at the time anyway.

Datisi, my world is shattered beyond any kind of repair. I voted GL. I need you to give me a case to convince everybody that everything GL has done can only be done by Town!GL and scum!GL has no chance of doing it.

other than being more emotional stuff that i did not believe, this pissed me off because it implied that i'm supposed to be having this rock-solid towncase on guiltylion, and that not only do i have to convince him, i have to convince everybody, and it was written in such over the top way i really made me think that rh9 was scum just taking the piss out of the whole thing, and i wasn't able to call him out on it because i thought i would get called a bully because "how dare you say his emotions are manipulative!"

so yeah, that made me really upset last night.

Has your opinions changed?

[RH9]

I wouldn't care if your opinions remained the same because I was extremely melodramatic yesterday.

[Datisi]

my opinions regarding what?

[RH9]

my opinions regarding what?

People mentioned in 3825.

[RH9]

my opinions regarding what?

People mentioned in 3825.

Who you had problems with.

[RH9]

By the way, I want to ask Ydrasse something out of curiosity.

[Datisi]

my opinion hasn't changed on anything. i still think harley's initial suspicion of guiltylion very much sounded like "someone said i'm scum so they must die" (though a later post did change my mind on that being a thing), and i still think your posts accompanying your vote of guiltylion, and the post asking me to provide a towncase, were completely fabricated, meant to be manipulative, and used as an excuse to place a vote there; especially considering the non-emotional problems you had with him were never explained and magically disappeared later on.

for the record, and i want to make this very clear: i do not have a problem with you as people. i am simply explaining the game as i see it.

[RH9]

my opinion hasn't changed on anything. i still think harley's initial suspicion of guiltylion very much sounded like "someone said i'm scum so they must die" (though a later post did change my mind on that being a thing), and i still think your posts accompanying your vote of guiltylion, and the post asking me to provide a towncase, were completely fabricated, meant to be manipulative, and used as an excuse to place a vote there; especially considering the non-emotional problems you had with him were never explained and magically disappeared later on.

for the record, and i want to make this very clear: i do not have a problem with you as people. i am simply explaining the game as i see it.

I comphrehend.

[RH9]

By the way, I want to ask Ydrasse something out of curiosity.

FYI, I figured out the answer, myself.

I think arguably your reaction/treatment of me when you figured out who I was signals that you were afraid of me.

(This alt is like, all but outed anyways, so: hi, I'm Ydrasse.)

Here it is. That's the answer but I'll keep my reasoning to myself unless Taly and Alyssa say that I can share.
(It is to do with the tragedy of Newbie 2080.)

[RH9]

By the way, I want to ask Ydrasse something out of curiosity.

FYI, I figured out the answer, myself.

I think arguably your reaction/treatment of me when you figured out who I was signals that you were afraid of me.

(This alt is like, all but outed anyways, so: hi, I'm Ydrasse.)

Here it is. That's the answer but I'll keep my reasoning to myself unless Taly and Alyssa say that I can share.
(It is to do with the tragedy of Newbie 2080.)

And its devastating effect to Newbie 2082 where it was mentioned here.

[RH9]

By the way, I want to ask Ydrasse something out of curiosity.

FYI, I figured out the answer, myself.

I think arguably your reaction/treatment of me when you figured out who I was signals that you were afraid of me.

(This alt is like, all but outed anyways, so: hi, I'm Ydrasse.)

Here it is. That's the answer but I'll keep my reasoning to myself unless Taly and Alyssa say that I can share.
(It is to do with the tragedy of Newbie 2080.)

And its devastating effect to Newbie 2082 where it was mentioned here.

Well, the scumpartner of Ydrasse mentioned himself.

[RH9]

By the way, I want to ask Ydrasse something out of curiosity.

FYI, I figured out the answer, myself.

I think arguably your reaction/treatment of me when you figured out who I was signals that you were afraid of me.

(This alt is like, all but outed anyways, so: hi, I'm Ydrasse.)

Here it is. That's the answer but I'll keep my reasoning to myself unless Taly and Alyssa say that I can share.
(It is to do with the tragedy of Newbie 2080.)

And its devastating effect to Newbie 2082 where it was mentioned here.

Well, the scumpartner of Ydrasse mentioned himself.

And I spoiled it.

[RH9]

Not a SR on Ydrasse, by the way.

[RH9]

Because she's partnered with the IC.

[Datisi]

can you answer 3835?

[RH9]

To be fair, during my break, I've decided that GL's actions aren't AI and I'll probably unvote him and put him to a nullread.
UNVOTE: GuiltyLion

this is also very weird. you also had some problems with the way he was treating norwee - and it wasn't just "gl killing norwee's will to live", it was you actually poking holes in his case. i don't think that was ever addressed? is that not important?

Nah, but GL's apology made me realise that was probably playstyle differences and mistakes on GL's behalf for the case. I would have liked an answer but I don't think that GL has the time. Sure, you can help answer them, but I think that GL's case seems like GL has strong points but included weak points. Plus, GL corrected himself later and I am feeling OK about it.

By the way, did I tell you that scum!Ydrasse makes cases which town!Ydrasse doesn't? That's kind of why I want to ask Ydrasse, if she only makes cases as scum or if does that as Town too?