Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress Saboteur PT

[Lukewarm]

I have you lean scum and toog lean town. Hope that vibes with you both

You actually have a section of saying that I have worries, but I don't think you are ever partnered with tanner, so that pulls you more town - my conclusion with you in null. But once tanner is IC'ed, you obviously go back to scum lean.

[Lukewarm]

Let me go reread why I thought Tanner should be IC.

Basically

1) We did not want to swap at the gate, so the only IC choices we (or I at least) seriously considered were Tanner and VP Baltar

2) WIFOM, that we would IC someone who has voiced concerns on each of us.

3) I asked who you would rather 1v1 of the 2 of them

4) Tanner said that he has never chosen correctly in Elo, so him being a guiding voice in all three elos could work in our favor.

[Lukewarm]

I think that Toog has a good chance 1v1ing numberQ

I think I have a good chance swaying Pav

So, I think that the most important thing is probably who you would rather 1v1 out of the two

[imaginality]

If we stick with DArby-implo swap I'm happy to make VP IC to alleviate some of Toogeloo's concerns about Tanner's reads but that means you don't get town cred for your Tanner case... So I think better I stick with 1v1ing VP?

Out of interest, who do you think becomes voter in Keep if Tanner replaces in for implosion? If you think Tanner does then we could swap with implosion and make implosion IC.

[Lukewarm]

I think that backfires my notes just now.

Like the opposite of "why case him if he is gonna become ic" - to "obviously Luke cased him because he knew he was gonna be in the same game as him"

[Lukewarm]

Like, Tanner if gets me cred. Tanner non-ic is what ever. Tanner in the keep is bad for me lol

[Lukewarm]

I think I have good odds with pav. Decent enough odds with numbers or baltar. Poor odds with Tanner. Auto lose with implo

All assuming Ari as my third

[imaginality]

The downside of IC-ing Tanner is I reread and notice VP was who proposed putting implosion into Keep. Would he do that as scum if you, Ari, implosion are all town knowing they'd have to swap?

I guess it could be twisted to argue Ari is scum in that scenario. But it does make it hard for both me to beat him 1v1 at Gate once Keep resolves, I think. So we'd ideally want Gate to resolve first.

[imaginality]

VP did go after Tanner quite hard D1. But VP also saw Tanner go after me somewhat. I think Tanner went after VP less than me. So I think the Tanner IC choice is plausible from VP. Also if you flip first your Tanner case helps me maybe, as why would I throw away the chance to get my scumbuddy to help my 1v1 by making Tanner IC.

Okay so I think I'm now back to where we started lol.

[Lukewarm]

I think that the narrative I have, is that the scum team was down Darby, and planned on swapping him into the keep and accept the loss there since it's the hardest game to win anyways.

Or, once the keep is resolved, that means I flipped. At that point, it is a non-issue because everyone knows that scum didn't care about the last keep slot because scum were already in the keep. So what difference did it make to him that implo went in it, as long as him or their last partner didn't end up there

[Lukewarm]

Like, post keep resolution, now it could be framed as scum suggesting a townie so that 2 scum don't end up there. Which is helped by me being pro implo in the keep

[imaginality]

Cool. Okay, I'm away for a couple of hours now. Will check back before I sleep and ahead of deadline, but your post makes sense to me

[Toogeloo]

How was your Christmas's?

I've already forgotten what I should be preparing for going into the Day lol.

[imaginality]

Good thanks, and you?
You can pretty much play it straight, it's basically you vs numberQ but maybe throw in a little paranoia suspicion of implosion rather than auto assuming him conftown? Since going too quickly to 'must be conftown' might look like inside knowledge.

[Toogeloo]

I'll be pushing for other games to resolve first (whether that happens or not doesn't matter) so that I can have more associatives to work with.

[imaginality]

Like it's not impossible that the Pavowski-implo swap is scum-scum

Pedit: yep that makes sense. People have a sense I generally bus as scum so I haven't done that in this game, maybe someone will be misled by that if I flip first.

[Lukewarm]

I'm my catch up I suggest that the wall (toogs game) resolves last.

[Lukewarm]

How was your Christmas's?

I've already forgotten what I should be preparing for going into the Day lol.

My Christmas was good! How was yours?

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I imagine town Toog would have put more thoughts into numberq and Darby then the rest of the player list because those two were in your game pre swap. So having thoughts on those two at the ready would probably make sense, even though we know that Darby is swapping away from you

[Lukewarm]

People have a sense I generally bus as scum so I haven't done that in this game, maybe someone will be misled by that if I flip first.

This may be a bad strategy, because I seem to do it every scum game, but I tend to read my partners differently.

Like this game, I have in my suggestions that Toog gets vote power over numberq and Darby because I town read him (and that is not actually a trio anyways, so what ever)

But in your section I say you look scummy, but not partnered with Tanner - so an ic Tanner makes you scum

Which, my general hope being that if we make it to the third game, who ever is left looks not partnered with me because you are being treated differently then my confirmed partner

[Lukewarm]

I agree with you not auto town locking implo. Mildly suspicious of him, but leaning numberq makes sense. Because from your pov they both have a 50/50 chance of being scum

[Lukewarm]

Was Pav moved because they're scum and it was obvious that slot would be voted out at the Wall? I could see both Luke and Ari being town tbh in light of this swap.

This is probably a good angle to think that numberQ is my partner after I flip. If I was town, I would question him for this line. -- But i can't if we want him to look like my partner later. Maybe one of you want to ?

[Lukewarm]

I think i am still okay with Pav. I think he is more suspicios of me then he would be, simply because he has not really figured out the set up. By the time he votes, I think we are good.

[Lukewarm]

Well, I managed to pocket Ari

[Lukewarm]

Me flipping apparently makes Ari say imaginality is town? Not sure why lol

Sad that she flips when I do, so she won't be here to push that idea more

[Lukewarm]

Hello friends, how are we feeling?

Any ideas on what anyone should not should not be doing? Especially across games, I am open to angles that you think I should take in your games to better set you up if I flip first