Huh, well for starters obviously [v] VP Baltar [/v] - by no means do I want Tanner to rush his vote but since I know VP is confscum I might as well do this now.
Okay now for a bit of a wall post or two, catching up with other stuff from today:
[quote="In [url=
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13185034]post 442[/url], numberQ"]Long night made me forget a lot of the game state lol
Was Pav moved because they're scum and it was obvious that slot would be voted out at the Wall? I could see both Luke and Ari being town tbh in light of this swap.
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So basically you think it could be a scum-scum swap scenario?
If implo is scum then scum had a more or less guaranteed win with implo at Keep, given he was the most townread of the three, so I'm not sure there'd be benefit for them in this swap unless their read on the gamestate is significantly different to mine.
[quote="In [url=
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13185040]post 444[/url], numberQ"]Oh wait, if Pav is scum and they were swapped then either A) implo is ALSO scum and we managed to put one scum in each location by accident, or B) Toog is lockscum.
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From your POV yes, I'm a bit wary of how you state this without that qualifier though. Since for the rest of us it only means either Toog OR you are scum.
[quote="In [url=
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13185127]post 468[/url], Aristeia"][quote="In [url=
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13185118]post 463[/url], Pavowski"]We don't have to get scum here, we just have to find town. This is easy and makes me think even more that Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me.[/quote]
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If you think Luke is scum why wouldn't you just vote for me?
Do you think Luke is bluffing about voting for me to convince you to vote for him?[/quote]
@Ari, it sounds from this like you think Pav should have the voting power in Keep rather than you or Luke, is that right?
[quote="In [url=
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13185137]post 475[/url], Aristeia"]I think over focus on one minigame to the detriment of others might be minus town EV
I think every player should be trying to play and win their own minigame concurrently while also giving opinions on the other games.[/quote]
100% agree with this. Though I think rather than resolve minigames in order of certainty, resolve them in order of how useful the flips will be for solving the remaining games.
[quote="In [url=
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13185144]post 477[/url], Tanner"]
i think the first step here is having everyone give their introduction thoughts. at least on their own game, preferably on the others too. then it will be easier to decide the order, when we figure out what flips give info for where. [/quote]
For me, off the cuff (I haven't reread D1 in depth yet cos Christmas etc.):
- Gate: Well my read is obviously VP is scum. I am happy to go dig through his iso but from your POV I might be scum trying to bias your reads so I'll stick to fairly objective points. And obviously happy to answer any questions/requests.
I'm a bit surprised this game didn't get changed cos I think the choice of you as IC points to VP, so that makes me see the Darby - implosion swap as either a necessary S/T one, or as scum thinking it is a more useful swap than disrupting the Gate.
One other thought I had: if you don't have a clear view on whether the scum in our game is VP or me, it might be useful to see where VP and I differ in our reads on other games and resolve those game(s) first to help you decide between us.
- Wall: I want to re-read before commenting as I didn't have a strong read on either Toogeloo or numberQ D1. I think implosion is town because wouldn't scum implosion just stay put at Keep? So for me, the only scenario implosion is scum is if one of Luke/Ari is also scum.
- Keep: if either of Ari or Luke is scum, by play alone my hunch is still on Ari scum. If either of them is scum they likely brought in Pav mainly to swap out implosion, which implies the scum among them thinks Pav was a better choice to swap in than me/Tanner/numberQ/Toogeloo. The Luke - Pav history might be a point against Luke here?
The alternative scenario of Luke-Ari town and scum dumping the DArby/Pav slot into Keep is also very possible. Weighing against that somewhat: I don't recall anyone trying to angle against implo joining Keep? Rereading that part of the D1 discussion is high on my to do list.