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[Datisi]

on the subject, what's your impression of how you've played this game? do you think you've played towny, scummy, neutral / you've been playing resembling your typical towngame / scumgame?

i think i've been playing scummy, but my play so far here doesn't really resemble either of my typical towngames or scumgames.

generally, what makes me townie and what mostly makes my towngames is gut reads, in-moment thoughts, and feeling mostly relaxed and natural (and townbloc building, but that's follows after reads, obviously). now, the gut reads and thoughts aren't present because this game feels like mud currently and i've gotten very little from it so far. and, i'm aware i'm sounding a bit off tonally, mostly around iv, because this is like the 4th game in recent times where we start off with "r u scum though" and it's gotten repetitive.

the reason why i say this doesn't resemble either of my games is because i'm not that terrible at... faking my towngame, especially early. if i had to, i think i would be able to make up some "reads" that i'm not naturally getting right now.

the impression i've gotten from seeing you play in my games is that you would look for things like Actual Game Related Thoughts in my play, and considering i've given the bare minimum so far... your read makes sense.

[midwaybear]

If I didn't agree with observations that skitter's comments about Datisi being chill were a bit off, I would scumread the recent back and forth between nsg and Datisi.

[Datisi]

scumread which side? or is this Hot New Scum Theatre?

[innocentvillager]

thank you iv very cool

you asked and I responded :3

[midwaybear]

Scum theater. But, I feel like I'm getting too conf biased (around your slot) because I really think you are scum. I'm starting to build a narrative that makes you scum regardless of other alignments(nsg/skitter), and I don't think that is very good. Maybe you are scum, but I don't want to tunnel at this point.

[catboi]

If I didn't agree with observations that skitter's comments about Datisi being chill were a bit off, I would scumread the recent back and forth between nsg and Datisi.

What does the first point have to do with the second point?

[northsidegal]

on the subject, what's your impression of how you've played this game? do you think you've played towny, scummy, neutral / you've been playing resembling your typical towngame / scumgame?

i think i've been playing scummy, but my play so far here doesn't really resemble either of my typical towngames or scumgames.

generally, what makes me townie and what mostly makes my towngames is gut reads, in-moment thoughts, and feeling mostly relaxed and natural (and townbloc building, but that's follows after reads, obviously). now, the gut reads and thoughts aren't present because this game feels like mud currently and i've gotten very little from it so far. and, i'm aware i'm sounding a bit off tonally, mostly around iv, because this is like the 4th game in recent times where we start off with "r u scum though" and it's gotten repetitive.

the reason why i say this doesn't resemble either of my games is because i'm not that terrible at... faking my towngame, especially early. if i had to, i think i would be able to make up some "reads" that i'm not naturally getting right now.

the impression i've gotten from seeing you play in my games is that you would look for things like Actual Game Related Thoughts in my play, and considering i've given the bare minimum so far... your read makes sense.

it's not really just game related thoughts. that's mostly a personality / playstyle thing, i think. i think that, correctly or incorrectly, i read you similar to how i used to read skygazer (do you know who that is??). when skygazer was scum, even when she would force herself to give reads and interact, it still seemed sort of forced, and like she wasn't really interested in it and was just doing it to get posts out there.

you don't have to have reads yet – aside from the thoughts that i sort of forced myself to get out there, i really don't have all that many. if you are town, i would say just take your time. i personally think it's the best way to get reads and i think it would help you be readable.

[Datisi]

because I really think you are scum.

what's making you so confident this early?

[Datisi]

i do know who skygazer is!! and yeah, giving it time is what i'm planning to do, it sometimes takes a bit but it'll come to me.

[midwaybear]

I didn't like skitter's read on Datisi, and I was also thinking that skitter wouldn't make a read like that on her buddy. So that potentially indicated Datisi as townie. But I had no reason to suspect skitter, then I would scumread that interaction between nsg and Datisi.

[northsidegal]

what about that interaction seems like scum theater?

[catboi]

Liking nsg so far, quibbles on the midwaybear read obviously but makes sense for someone who lacks familiarity there

[skitter30]

VOTE: Mare

Let's get spicy. Read the ISO, feels stilted so far, like someone going through the motions but not really feeling into it

Not sure that's ai or scum-indicative for her

[catboi]

VOTE: Mare

Let's get spicy. Read the ISO, feels stilted so far, like someone going through the motions but not really feeling into it

Not sure that's ai or scum-indicative for her

you're doing the thing again

[skitter30]

found it difficult to believe (or i suppose just surprising) that skitter didn't know about SS's always pick nine thing (as she seemed to indicate in one post) but i couldn't find any evidence to the contrary in the very short amount of time i spent looking for it. i'm also curious to hear about skitter's experience with scum!andante which i recall she indicated she had – what was that game like, and what's your impression of how scum andante plays / differs from town andante?

- didn't notice or realize about the 9 thing
- i dont have any experience with scum-andante, but i do have experience with town-andante, and this is it imo. Namely, the really qucik real-time interactions with real time reassessment and responses based on what other people are saying. I havent seen scum-her, but i would imagine its a little hard for scum-her to fake

[catboi]

You're, like, speedrunning everything you said to me as scum and I'm sitting here like

[skitter30]

VOTE: Mare

Let's get spicy. Read the ISO, feels stilted so far, like someone going through the motions but not really feeling into it

Not sure that's ai or scum-indicative for her

you're doing the thing again

Hmmmm?

[catboi]

found it difficult to believe (or i suppose just surprising) that skitter didn't know about SS's always pick nine thing (as she seemed to indicate in one post) but i couldn't find any evidence to the contrary in the very short amount of time i spent looking for it. i'm also curious to hear about skitter's experience with scum!andante which i recall she indicated she had – what was that game like, and what's your impression of how scum andante plays / differs from town andante?

- didn't notice or realize about the 9 thing
- i dont have any experience with scum-andante, but i do have experience with town-andante, and this is it imo. Namely, the really qucik real-time interactions with real time reassessment and responses based on what other people are saying. I havent seen scum-her, but i would imagine its a little hard for scum-her to fake

She's from EM so the quick realtime responses are extremely null for her and not a good metric to read her on. Better to read her on whether the cases she pushes are pure bullshit or not.

[skitter30]

You're, like, speedrunning everything you said to me as scum and I'm sitting here like

Just gonna say if you think this is how i approach ghis as scum, you really didnt learn so much from the deep dive lol

[skitter30]

She's from EM so the quick realtime responses are extremely null for her and not a good metric to read her on. Better to read her on whether the cases she pushes are pure bullshit or not.

Oh i didnt know that. Well it worked to townread her last time so maybe this isnt aa strong a reason as i thought but i think she's still town

[catboi]

I wasn't really researching you individually but okay

[skitter30]

>.> ok

[northsidegal]

She's from EM so the quick realtime responses are extremely null for her and not a good metric to read her on. Better to read her on whether the cases she pushes are pure bullshit or not.

Oh i didnt know that. Well it worked to townread her last time so maybe this isnt aa strong a reason as i thought but i think she's still town

without even necessarily disagreeing with the townread, if you don't know what someone is capable of as scum, aren't you worried that they might be more skillful than you anticipated? andante has quite a lot of games completed from a quick look that i took and so she's not exactly a newbie either

[midwaybear]

what about that interaction seems like scum theater?

You enter the thread with some light scumreads on me and Datisi. Datisi said your scumread on him made sense and then you guys bounced back and forth and it looks like you don't scumread him that much anymore. Seemed like a plausible w/w interaction. Now that I'm typing this out it seems a bit silly, but that was my thought at the time. I'm probably too conf biased around Datisi.

because I really think you are scum.

what's making you so confident this early?

I didn't like your interaction with IV earlier and how you both sort of didn't want to go any further. I also found 642 a bit off. But yeah, that doesn't warrant this level of confidence so I don't think I will ISO you rn or anything like that.

[skitter30]

i mean sure but i didn't know what her scumgame looked like last time either, and i correctly townread her there, and now she looks the same

so she can totally wow me for sure but right now when i have like 3.5 reads i'm kinda ok townbinning her for now and revisiting later