Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Alyssa The Lamb]

there are way too many players in this game that both believe they are in a TvT pair and that they should endgame

if this was in any way directed at me, I already don't believe I should endgame and virtually never have. Datisi can confirm this from our PT. If Andante flips scum people are going to push me as a partner so the only way I endgame is if we hit like a HQ/Shiro S-S pair or something

this is exclusively directed at my townreads

[Titus]

there are way too many players in this game that both believe they are in a TvT pair and that they should endgame

if this was in any way directed at me, I already don't believe I should endgame and virtually never have. Datisi can confirm this from our PT. If Andante flips scum people are going to push me as a partner so the only way I endgame is if we hit like a HQ/Shiro S-S pair or something

this is exclusively directed at my townreads

I don't feel we lim a single scum if I die. So I'm not leaving.

Too much time has been wasted going after people and digging in heels when the game was over by like post 1000.

Let's just sheep me until I'm wrong which won't happen.

[Save The Dragons]

m'lady who are you voting again

[Save The Dragons]

i could check but then i couldn't call you m'lady

[Alyssa The Lamb]

we're both voting Andante

[Save The Dragons]

hmm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VoteCount 1.23

Firebringer - Andante [2] Titus, Alyssa the Lamb,
Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Save the Dragons - Titus [5] - Andante, Harley Quinn, Firebringer, Datisi, RH9
Datisi - GuiltyLion [1] - Shiro
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [1] - Save the Dragons,
Shiro - Harley Quinn [2] - Ydrasse, GuiltyLion,
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [3]

- Something_Smart, Taly, Galron,

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to execute

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-12-28 20:00:00)

[GuiltyLion]

STD join the HQ/Shiro justice wagon

[Firebringer]

Time to write up my walls. Everyone pls do a drum roll.

[Shiro]

I go sleep for a few hours and you guys went ahead to try and yeet StD and Titus,

What the hell are you all doing?

[Shiro]

This is a serious last ditch effort to save scum 100%

I can't believe this to be anything else..

[Shiro]

Vote:Fire/Adante

[GuiltyLion]

There's almost certainly scum in Andante/HQ/RH9 voting STD like that methinks

[Firebringer]

I was one leading charge on STD, Shiro.

[Something_Smart]

but I still believe that the gamestate is in a really shitty spot and that 90+% of the cause is that there are way too many players in this game that both believe they are in a TvT pair and that they should endgame

This is basically what I was getting at with "every scum has pocketed their dance partner", yeah.

[Firebringer]

Before I start with this i should inform u all how disorganized this is. First when I write up analysis i go through posts and make comments and thoughts as I go

Spoiler: GuiltyLion Analysis

First thing I noticed was 92, to me in context it was weird mentioning not wanting to dance with marcistar this early but i think in context it was also other people saying marci openning was scummy (no one said datisi but a few said they had gent scum read which i guess is marci here or maybe im rewriting past)

Guiltylion early posting is alot more relaxed than I am used to or I remember in this game, i remember him having more solvey serious tone but this is the first dozen pages. Just weird i don't remember this.

His early interactions seem natural with marcistar it doesn't seem like ones in which outright feel forced/or stale. Then here 151 he thinks marci post in response to him was buddying

The post 161 is coming from a town mindset, of course this kind of thoughts/mechanic thinking doesn't mean it can't be from scum.

His interactions with catboi later and how they both interact over andante is such a town push here. Like GL is first going and questioning andante and catboi comes in and accuses it of bad faith push and gl has this detailed analysis in which i think is probably wrong but i can see the thoughts and i think this is not easy to fake as scum.
talking 261

309 i think this is a weird thought for scum to have as an "advantage" i mean it tells me GL was thinking about the game before it started which i guess goes either way, personally i can't see this as advantage maybe this is one of those things u can discuss in scum pt so if u want to squint maybe gl was talking about taly in PT but also why bother mention it here as an "advantage". Ill squeeze this as a town point

I think GL falls into trap of reading peoples emotions as genuine and its a pitfall for him as town? Does his reads change from post 327

U want to see a good push on marci? Look at 568 I want to say two things about this post that makes me want to just fricking quit this iso at this point and just shove it down anyones face who thinks im wrong on GL town.

1) Does scum GL need to give this kind of analysis for this "distancing" push he asks on her friend. I want to remind u if he is scum he knows marci is scum so why is he posting like this. I am not saying impossible im saying this kind of line isn't needed to push this way

2) If GL wants town points, why doesn't he push this for credit on marci flip. I don't even god damn remember him getting any marci scum credit.

His interactions with LLD and their little fight was not scum!GL, I said this so long ago but rereading me is reminding me of it. Scum!GL would just be breaking down LLD case brick by brick finding any whole to puncture, he wouldn't be getting frustrated telling her how wrong she is or losing his composure like this. Unless someone wants to show me scum game of GL losing it like this, I think im right.


Look at these 832 833 in context of the LLD fights these just scream town to me as well that is hung up on LLD scum that he is losing focus of other reads. I so buy he thinks LLD. This so reminds me of when someone shit pushes me and im like "this person is bullshiting"

843

Okay this took me half hour and I read more than half of his first page ISO. I don't know how much more I need to read, this is just town to me.

GuiltyLion town.

Who wants to argue with me on it before I go since almost no one says dats is scum.

[Firebringer]

Before I start with this i should inform u all how disorganized this is. First when I write up analysis i go through posts and make comments and thoughts as I go

Spoiler: GuiltyLion Analysis

First thing I noticed was 92, to me in context it was weird mentioning not wanting to dance with marcistar this early but i think in context it was also other people saying marci openning was scummy (no one said datisi but a few said they had gent scum read which i guess is marci here or maybe im rewriting past)

Guiltylion early posting is alot more relaxed than I am used to or I remember in this game, i remember him having more solvey serious tone but this is the first dozen pages. Just weird i don't remember this.

His early interactions seem natural with marcistar it doesn't seem like ones in which outright feel forced/or stale. Then here 151 he thinks marci post in response to him was buddying

The post 161 is coming from a town mindset, of course this kind of thoughts/mechanic thinking doesn't mean it can't be from scum.

His interactions with catboi later and how they both interact over andante is such a town push here. Like GL is first going and questioning andante and catboi comes in and accuses it of bad faith push and gl has this detailed analysis in which i think is probably wrong but i can see the thoughts and i think this is not easy to fake as scum.
talking 261

309 i think this is a weird thought for scum to have as an "advantage" i mean it tells me GL was thinking about the game before it started which i guess goes either way, personally i can't see this as advantage maybe this is one of those things u can discuss in scum pt so if u want to squint maybe gl was talking about taly in PT but also why bother mention it here as an "advantage". Ill squeeze this as a town point

I think GL falls into trap of reading peoples emotions as genuine and its a pitfall for him as town? Does his reads change from post 327

U want to see a good push on marci? Look at 568 I want to say two things about this post that makes me want to just fricking quit this iso at this point and just shove it down anyones face who thinks im wrong on GL town.

1) Does scum GL need to give this kind of analysis for this "distancing" push he asks on her friend. I want to remind u if he is scum he knows marci is scum so why is he posting like this. I am not saying impossible im saying this kind of line isn't needed to push this way

2) If GL wants town points, why doesn't he push this for credit on marci flip. I don't even god damn remember him getting any marci scum credit.

His interactions with LLD and their little fight was not scum!GL, I said this so long ago but rereading me is reminding me of it. Scum!GL would just be breaking down LLD case brick by brick finding any whole to puncture, he wouldn't be getting frustrated telling her how wrong she is or losing his composure like this. Unless someone wants to show me scum game of GL losing it like this, I think im right.


Look at these 832 833 in context of the LLD fights these just scream town to me as well that is hung up on LLD scum that he is losing focus of other reads. I so buy he thinks LLD. This so reminds me of when someone shit pushes me and im like "this person is bullshiting"

843

Okay this took me half hour and I read more than half of his first page ISO. I don't know how much more I need to read, this is just town to me.

GuiltyLion town.

Who wants to argue with me on it before I go since almost no one says dats is scum.

[Firebringer]

wow double post and im colorblind because that was green before i posted

[Firebringer]

someone come in here and tell me which 2 others they want isos before i go. Or if you want more analysis on GL (i know i cut it short but i dodn't want to spend all night just on GL).

[GuiltyLion]

do Alyssa I trust your read on her

[Galron]

Fire, is there any scum equity among {Titus, Alsyssa, Guilty LIon}?

[Firebringer]

do Alyssa I trust your read on her

Okay.
Will do that right now.

Fire, is there any scum equity among {Titus, Alsyssa, Guilty LIon}?

I would say if there is one I would think its Titus, but that is only based on my horrible track record with Titus. I don't actually think she is scum here.

[Firebringer]

Spoiler: Alyssa

Instead of going through and commenting on posts as I go with GL when I read alyssa I will give you general thoughts that i might back up with specific examples and what I generally think.

So normally i scumread alyssa when she is town. I haven't felt she is scum at all this game. I will say a lot of what she has done isn't something i would outright say is like "out of her scumrange" w/e that limit is. I will say generally there hasn't been this out of sync kind of tone/thoughts that made me think she is scum motivated. Like, the most I can see is her idea of both being an endgame pair here while denying she is gonna be one even though her plan indirectly says she is one. Which again could just mean like she has said her reads kind of force her into that situation.

I think alyssa could at multiple points in this game directed the game in a more break up the town/brute force her pref game but she has been playing neutral to it all and just commenting on general vibe game while giving her general thoughts. She isn't playing kingmaker/chessplayer here imo. If she is scum I guess her outlined plan is just rely on town blowing itself like she has been saying is going on and just reinforce that with her own posts about how hopeless it all is.

Her reads have changed quite a bit over game actually, and its not like just obvious in the posts themselves how they are moving so I can't tell u outright it isn't like maneuvering or just her thoughts but from my memory whenever alyssa was active in thread her thoughts seemed transparent as those thoughts were moving around.

[Firebringer]

Stalemate is over.

Farewell to you all, I shall see you all on the other side of this game.

I leave the dance

[Alyssa The Lamb]

you will be missed