Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[VP Baltar]

Like that's some legit dumb shit to say

[VP Baltar]

Oh you replaced Darby. Lol.

This is going to be easy mode

[Pavowski]

(summoning 100)

You talking about me?

Yep!

[Pavowski]

Like that's some legit dumb shit to say

Dude. It was a joke.

[Pavowski]

And my apologies, further. I never intend to get people riled up.

[VP Baltar]

And my apologies, further. I never intend to get people riled up.

Too late. Mistake was made.

[numberQ]

What was dumb shit? The "summoning 100" meme?

[Pavowski]

And my apologies, further. I never intend to get people riled up.

Too late. Mistake was made.

Then I will apologize again and leave this for tonight. My bad.

[VP Baltar]

What was dumb shit? The "summoning 100" meme?

Yeah, trying to shade me for being vla when I said I was going to be vla

[Aristeia]

Why do you feel upset by this?

[VP Baltar]

Why do you feel upset by this?

I'm not upset. Not sure why Pav is taking it as me being mad. I just don't tolerate slimey call outs.

[Aristeia]

Oh you replaced Darby. Lol.

This is going to be easy mode

Can you explain this comment please?

[VP Baltar]

Oh you replaced Darby. Lol.

This is going to be easy mode

Can you explain this comment please?

As in, I was already sus of that slot in relation in imaginality. Big surprise they try to shade me.

[VP Baltar]

*in relation to

[Lukewarm]

Tanner? You asked for my experience with Luke. To put a fine point on it, the case he's making here? This sounds like scum!Luke trying to make sure I don't get a foothold to keep it 1v1 with Ari.

I don't see why Scum!Luke would alienate you, if you become convinced he is scum, don't you just vote for me and then he loses?

It seems like a lot of effort for not much gain.

Disagree. If he's scum, he has to contend with the possibility that one of us will vote the other. If he can scumlock me, he doesn't have to worry about you voting me. It's one less way for him to lose here.

Pav, your thoughts on how this game play out feel fairly alien to my own.

The only way for any scum in the keep to win the keep is for a townie to vote for them. Do you really think it makes sense that my game plan right now is to actively scum case you and lock you into your scum read on me while at the same time telling Ari that she should not be the one to vote?

You keep saying every single thing that I do makes me scum, but I don't even see the scum path to victory that you are trying to argue that I am going for.

The more you are doing this, the more I am leaning towards you having started the day already with a game plan of calling me scummy, and you are just sticking to it...

Lets talk about the reasons you have called me scum / presented scum paths to victory:

458 - scum!Luke thinks "he can get me mislimmed" - Okay, if I think I can get you miseliminated, why not leave you in the wall, or send you to the gate, and get you miseliminated? Both of those paths win me a minigame if that is what you think I think about you.

462 - "Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me"- What part of this plan keeps ari from getting voted?

467 - "Luke is my top suspect just given the fact I got swapped." - But why?

611 - "the case he's making here" - yes, I scum read you over Ari. What makes you think that Town!Luke would not be scum reading your slot right now and/or town reading Ari's slot right now?

Like, I know for a fact that either you are scum or ari, and that which ever one of you is scum wins exclusively by voted, and the other is town and wins either by being voted or by voting correctly.

And Ari looks like she is actively considering who she would vote 405, 492, 535, 613

And you seem focused almost exclusively on getting voted 463, 464, 615, 625

Why would I not think that you are the scum between the two of you here?

[Lukewarm]

And don't discount the fact that he locked himself into this mini like, way early.

What about this makes me more likely to be scum then town? Have you looked at my explanation for that, or are you just latching onto it because Ari originally called me scum for it?

[Lukewarm]

This is an insight I hadn't considered that kind of gives +town points to Pav. Maybe the self-vote thing was obvious to everyone else and I'm just dumb, but I don't know if scum points this out and in turn makes everyone even more cautious.

This feels like a bad reason to try and town read Pav, but I think that that is actually +town for numberQ.

I don't think that scum are in a position to go out on a limb for pav, and are likely going to just let him sink or swim on his own.

+town for Q even if I am wrong in the keep I think, just because in a scum ari world, scum would be very happy with the status quo of Pav being the most scum read and him scum reading me, and not want to rock that boat either

[Lukewarm]

that baltar / pav interaction this page is weird, and i don't understand it

I did not really mean to only talk to/about pav in this sitting, but he was most of the posts since I was last on lol

[Lukewarm]

Oh you replaced Darby. Lol.

This is going to be easy mode

this is more the approach that i think that the scum team would be taking towards pav / compared to numberQ (again, even if I am wrong)

[Aristeia]

I feel like I'm sliding towards a Baltar - Pavo - Toogeloo solve and it feels too easy almost.

The feeling of complacency is hard to shake.

[Aristeia]

Luke what would you say is your best completed scum game on the site so far? I do want to read it for a comparison.

[Lukewarm]

Luke what would you say is your best completed scum game on the site so far? I do want to read it for a comparison.

Probably this one: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86874

That is the only scum game I have won lol

[Lukewarm]

I feel like I'm sliding towards a Baltar - Pavo - Toogeloo solve and it feels too easy almost.

The feeling of complacency is hard to shake.

Have you talked about reasonings for Baltar and Toog before this?

I just made a +town for numberQ post and a +scum for Baltar post and have been pushing Pav, and not gonna lie, seeing you present that solve immediately after caused a pit in the stomach sensation.

[Lukewarm]

i think gate should resolve either second or last

if implo or lukewarm flip scum it makes it much less likely imo that imaginality is scum here

Can you explain this to me?

I think Baltar is a much stronger 1v1er than Imaginality, it feels like a bit of a mismatch to put him at Gate, I think you/implo would have much better odds of winning the 1v1 there.

Wait I remembered this conversation about imaginality v baltar.

I can find anything on Toog. Why are you leaning toog>numberQ

[implosion]

I think Ari asking Luke for his best scum game is poignant because if Luke is scum he's playing a hell of a game here.