open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Something_Smart]

wat?

why would you (presumably unintentionally) make an unclear post and then deliberately not explain it when asked

[Something_Smart]

Post 216 is very underrated.

[Datisi]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

yeah, we pretty much always interact this way, more or less

[Andante]

wat?

why would you (presumably unintentionally) make an unclear post and then deliberately not explain it when asked

Cause I had a thought, I probably should've waited to say, and didn't really want to go down that path at that point in time, it basically would've turned into a tunnel on Datisi, and I don't think I was certain on that sr, idk, I'd have to revisit, I'm onto something else at the moment.
Thus I'm now writing out my own thoughts (instead of just posting whatever) and ummm am considering reading some past games for someone because I'm literally SRing every single post. Which will make sorting them real fun.

[Andante]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

yeah, we pretty much always interact this way, more or less

I'm seriously not TRing innocentvillager... like 8 bad points and 1 good one... and I'm not done catching up yet

[Andante]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

yeah, we pretty much always interact this way, more or less

I'm seriously not TRing innocentvillager... like 8 bad points and 1 good one... and I'm not done catching up yet

and this isn't even including the massclaim stuff... it's literally all within 40 posts

[Andante]

Ok, here's the compilation of my thoughts on scum!innocentvillager, and honestly what stands out the most I'd say? the reaction to seeing the votecount. Like "I'm the top wagon? get midwaybear!!" then I think in 750 we're not SRing midway anymore?? I'm not even sure. I'm just not a fan of prioritizing the conversation with datisi for things not even relevant to finding scum. And pretty much ignoring game related stuff, unless datisi is involved, then it's like "gotta jump into that!!" something feels super off here


729 –“if you’re so tired of these interactions why do you still engage in them” like, I’m confused on why you’re even asking this, if Datisi ignored the question, people would be all “why did you ignore me?!?!” I also don’t like the reference to past games where you were scum against him, like, doesn’t seem necessary.
730- “you finally rolled scum without me” uh what? It’s followed by “I have no idea if you’re town or scum” it feels like you’re just trying to look busy “solving” cause there’s nothing here that helps anything.
734- After a comment about being the largest wagon, he votes midwaybear and goes “I haven’t seen anything towny here” feels like innocentvillager is just pushing the next “easy” wagon instead of actually pushing midwaybear cause he thinks midwaybear is scum.
743- Datisi just gave paragraphs of thoughts, and we care more about “would you really night kill me as scum?” like, why do we care so much about talking about ourself instead of finding scum
746- voting midwaybear (thinks midwaybear is scum?) yet does nothing to try and convince datisi or have datisi help sort midwaybear, instead it’s more like “haha don’t worry, I don’t sr you dats” “I don’t sr midwaybear, but the post just stuck out” like… what?
750- It is like we are trying to find a reason to TR datisi(or maybe this is a tr on midway using datisi’s argument? So just agreeing with datisi?), cause “that’s not easy for scum to fake so I will admit it’s a point in his favor/your argument” is such a bad thing to say
753- jumping to datisi’s defense, instead of asking what specifically pinged skitter, it’s “ do you think caring about thread appearance is scum indicative for datisi” like, what do you expect to get from this question?? Only after skitter going “I think he does it as both alignments” does innocent villager go
755- “yeah I don’t think it’s scum indicative, what pinged you about it?” like, it feels like an awkward conversation…

[Andante]

I don't think any of my other notes are really relevant at this point, I understand playing a game with your friend, but like I start having issues when it's more about "omg hi friend! wow you'd fearkill me?" than actually solving, especially when we're 800 posts into the game

[Something_Smart]

I'm not sure mindmeld works when the explanation for the read is just "feeling"...

Actually I think it works better... if the reason is logic then scum can come up with it pretty easily but if it's a gut feeling that springs from a town mindset it might be harder.

I don't put much stock in mindmelds in general but I think this is a fairly good application of it.

[Something_Smart]

why the fuck is this game on page 26 and i have about two halves of a read

welcome to my life

[Something_Smart]

Can I whoosh this?

something something cognitive load

[Something_Smart]

I can't remember any time I've played with nsg-scum although I'm sure it happened at some point but 705 feels fairly towny to me

[Something_Smart]

lol who is sr ing obvtown andante

her scum partners, probably

[Something_Smart]

Was thinking about how scum are typically more conciliatory toward scumreads on them in the early game and mulling over Datisi's response to nsg in my head and but don't know how much I believe that

I was thinking about why so many in the radical left participate in "speedrunning"...

[Something_Smart]

i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

what was your read on me at this point?

[Something_Smart]

also when you say pinged I immediately think “scumtell” idk maybe ur using the term differently than me

This is how I interpret "ping" as well, skitter if you don't you may want to use a different word

[innocentvillager]

i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

what was your read on me at this point?

head empty

[innocentvillager]

i am solving

these interactions do help my read on these people

i lightly think Datisi is town for example

it’s also easier for me to engage in stuff about me and get reads from there which is why I may seem sort of self centered (because I am)

[midwaybear]

if the reason is logic then scum can come up with it pretty easily but if it's a gut feeling that springs from a town mindset it might be harder.

I think I agree with you more now. I was thinking it's harder for scum to fake longer chains of "townie thought", but I don't disagree that it's not hard to fake townie logic. I think there is a difference between the two though and I still don't think it was hard for scum to scumread my entrance (nsg called it classically scummy?)
About IV though, I have been trying to get a read on him based on how he has tried to read me this game. Cuz I do think it is townie that he has this focus on me (and Datisi). I think it is more natural to town to try to read people they find readable while scum might go with the game more and make reads on whoever convenient (yes, I still think scum will "read" people they would usually find readable, but IV focus on me and Datisi is a lot more than i would expect). I was initially suspicious on why he would vote me so quickly though, but a good explanation might be that he just had no other leads which makes sense. I also read (ok more like skimmed) what Andante wrote up and I don't think a lot of what she's pointed out is actually scummy. I think I'm lean-town on IV rn.
Also, VOTE: Mare
The interaction with Datisi felt a bit off.

[innocentvillager]

i am just not seeing anything towny from this slot and i would have expected to see something by now or something idk

what was your read on me at this point?

lol who is sr ing obvtown andante

her scum partners, probably

if she is for some weird reason scum yeah scum are very likely to be tmi’ing her and trying to give reasons for why she wasn’t nk’d

also she is stuck on this tunnel on me which helps lol

[innocentvillager]

Midwaybear do you thjnk I should have you as town by now? or anyone familiar with you?

[innocentvillager]

midway brings up a good point about me focusing more on familiars as not scummy so I will echo that

trying to get reads and interactions on readable people first is good I think, it’s also just a function of whoever’s sort of around at the time I am

It’s not an alignment indicative trait for me at all I don’t thjnk tho, I do it as both alignments

[Something_Smart]

if she is for some weird reason scum yeah scum are very likely to be tmi’ing her and trying to give reasons for why she wasn’t nk’d

it was mostly a joke but there is a grain of truth in there, yeah.

[Mare]

That’s a lot of words to spare for everything but your vote.

Hmm.

[Something_Smart]

also it just hit me that Andante is top in the draft. That's another reason to scumread her, I guess.